@Lana What should be banned in bathrooms is behaviour, such as assault, harrassment, abuse, and if people really insist perhaps indecent exposure outside of the stalls.

Basically, all things that aren't or shouldn't be allowed anywhere anyway.

But I guess 'they' would then want to implement that as 'constantly watched security cams everywhere in the bathroom', and that'd not be great either.

If only people could just be decent to each other...

@Lana transgender folks are just looking to be happy within their own body, not rape a bunch of kids with epstein, 96 felonies, or being a yt supremacist, protecting dchool shootings as a concept, or bringing back child marriage, or anything like that.

The bathroom debate is just their ridiculous way to conflate two insecuriities into an unlikely, false virtue trigger point.

@Lana

The words "you are not the crotch police" cost me a mouthful of coffee.

Totally worth it.

Also, stickers when?

@Lana I still want to question why we are not moving towards gender neurral bathrooms? All stalls? Then it doesn't matter what you are doing or how.

Our office has then, and marked as "gender neutral" not some odd male/female symbol. It says to me that they are just for people who need to dispose of bodily waste.

Oh, and they have sanitary products available and clearly on view. Which is lovely to see.

You are supposed to let people use toilets. As they need. Also, it is people who want to make these quick decisions who we need to be saved form. Because the most dangerous people are the white male supremacists.

Not people who wear dresses.

@Lana And then there are women like me, older, post-menopausal, who look like men (I like loose floppy button shirts and pants and often get greeted by cashiers as "sir"). I would never imagine walking into a men's public restroom, but I'm sure there are women who have wondered about me as I walk into "their" restroom.

I can see that this snap decision-making is not going to go well. Kind of like the cashiers who fall all over themselves with apologies after they hear my voice. Meanwhile, my attitude is, why even make the distinction? It's not really necessary. Just say, "hello," and leave it at that.

@Lana

I just don’t understand why the hypothetical man in their minds who wants to go into the women’s toilet to assault women would bother putting on a dress first 🤷‍♂️

@Lana

I estimate that at least half of the public bathrooms or toilets in work places are unisex in #Sweden. Who cares? How can this even be a political issue in the #USA? Pearl clutching snow flakes, made up problems.

@Lana "Don't like that? Then fucking pee at home."

In what is, presumably, a gender-neutral/unisex toilet!

did i already tell you my story of pretending i knew a trans lady so she could go into the bathroom with me while we talked because there were Karens everywhere and she looked nervous going in? she was older too and i totally felt that in my bones as being Dx autistic at 50. she looked like she was still trying to find her style and feel comfortable in her own skin.

so i locked my arm with hers, we went did our thing, chatted a bit, she thanked me profusely & we went our ways… 1/2

@Lana

@Lana I mean if they were actually BATHrooms, maybe some issues. But we're taking about toilet spaces. And I feel safe in saying that these spaces have one-person stalls with doors, and that the doors have latches on the inside.

Are we supposed to be getting outraged about sounds we hear? That we hear through the bathroom door at home?

@Lana

I have often used the "Men's" when the line at the "Ladies" is too long, without incident
will that be changing now that people are so gender crazy?

@Lana I agree with your intention behind this post.

However, I do want to mention this example, which I found interesting:

After Danish politicians allowed legal document sex changes, Danish provocateur artist Ibi-Pippi reregistered as a woman.

Going to jail for destroying art at a museum, she requested to serve in a women's only prison. This was denied by the state, allegedly because she lives like a man, and she has previously served time for crimes against women.

@Lana nodds in agreement

What if I told you that a lot of public restrooms ain't even gender-segregated but just a loo, a sink, some adjacient stuff and that's it.

@Lana used to work at a nightclub for alt/indie/goth folk.

Separate male/female facilities. Mostly nobody gave a fuck and just went where the queue was smallest, though there was a specific cubicle which, through some kind of unspoken community consensus, became the place where you go to snort your cheap speed.

That was a very clean, low maintenance cubicle,

@Lana I don't see a problem with bathrooms (ment as toilets) as everybody poops and shits pretty much same and rule of thumb says you do not look at other guys wiener when peeing 😀

What I do see problematic though (no transphobia, just practical problem) is, that women might have few issues with someone at public (for example pool) showers, who has hanging multi-use tool like I do.

But I'm saying this from male perspective who never (knowingly) met a trans person in corner-case like this.