I truly wish there was a way people could learn their lesson without the rest of us having to go to school.
@RickiTarr Maybe they should just build the wall he wanted anyway, but with the Trump voters on one side and the others on the other. A kind of utopia/dystopia.
@Pistolenkind @RickiTarr Put all the non-voters and protest voters on the side with the Trump voters and I'm in.
@Jumpmed @Pistolenkind @RickiTarr Arab voters in Michigan also voted for trump because they hate gays, too.
@rrb @Jumpmed @RickiTarr Some Arab voters, not Arab voters. And not because they are Arabs, but because they are religious fanatics. That is exactly what we should emphasize, not their origins. Fanatical Christians have the same hate fantasies. Let's not make it racist. Thank you.
@Pistolenkind @Jumpmed @RickiTarr Just kind of gets to me, because of the complaints about Democrat's position on Gaza, where the other side's position is "finish the job."
@Pistolenkind @Jumpmed @RickiTarr Thanks for the corrections, was not meaning to be racist.
@Pistolenkind @Jumpmed @RickiTarr And, yes, the surest way to detect racism is somebody denying it. Myself included.

@rrb @Pistolenkind @Jumpmed @RickiTarr
I don't know how often I pointed it out to idiots (or were they actually agents provocateurs?), it's either Trump (“the Israeli should do it properly this time”) or Harris (Trying to calm down the situation) in the US electoral system.

Sorry, for the Palestinians both options are bad, but one is clearly supporting their genocide, and it's not the Harris.

@Pistolenkind @rrb @Jumpmed @RickiTarr

On that note add SOME Latinos. I'll go ahead and say it CUBANS overwhelmingly helped to elect Trump. Data showed citizens with Mexican, PR, or Central American ties voted Harris.

https://newrepublic.com/post/188203/latino-vote-trump-harris-2024-election-data-breakdown

No, All Latinos Didn’t Vote for Trump Actually. Here’s the Data.

Here’s a more detailed look at how Latinos voted in the 2024 election.

The New Republic

@Pistolenkind @rrb @Jumpmed @RickiTarr That's 100% true, but it is also true about all of the generalized categories we put people in including white men and white women.

When 75% of a category acts in a particular way, it seems hard for people to recognize the other 25% (which when the category contains millions, is still a large number of people).

What it means is that if you encounter a random someone in that category, there's a 75% chance they're one of the people acting in that particular way. But you should still treat them as an individual and find out which they are.

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@Pistolenkind @rrb @Jumpmed @RickiTarr

We lump too many people together and give them a single motivation 😞

Statistically that may work, and it may help political messaging, but I hope we can do better in conversations here.

Getting off my soapbox now.

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@mlippert
You're not wrong my dude. It bothers me as well, and it seems something increasingly used also by progressives and the left, whereas in former times it was a mostly right wing thing. Or maybe I was living in a bubble.

@Pistolenkind @rrb @Jumpmed @RickiTarr

@rrb @Jumpmed @Pistolenkind @RickiTarr it seems much more likely to me, as a non-Arab queer person who did well in stats classes, that the left-leaning Arab voters didn't want to vote for someone who has promised to continue the genocide against other Arab people, and this skewed the results so the Trump voters were overrepresented in the voting population. But sure let's just assume it's that Arabs are all homophobic /s
@Jumpmed @Pistolenkind @RickiTarr if I may suggest a sea wall, with the Trumpist side of the wall being the ocean.

@RickiTarr I sure as fuck don't hope they get what they voted for, because they voted for murderous fascism and constant rape threats.

But the other four items? Yeah.

@LinuxAndYarn RIGHT, that's what I keep thinking!
@LinuxAndYarn @RickiTarr personally I hope they go grovelling to their leftist and liberal former friends offering to do anything necessary to defeat the fascist threat now that they've realized how much of a threat it is. I doubt more than like 3 people will, and who knows if their former friends will give them another chance, but I much prefer that over the success of the people they voted for
@RickiTarr
"a government of the people, by the people" who, as a unit, are ignorantly shites!

@EvilK @RickiTarr RIGHT???? the founders knew this experiment only worked if the people were educated and informed. Unfortunately at this particular stage in the decline of the American empire, they are neither, and it shows.

and so everyone suffers. sigh.

@RickiTarr point #3 is BONKERS to me, since the guy they voted for is overtly racist and xenophobic, so where that surprise comes from, exactly?
@cairobraga @RickiTarr With people using "social media", it is possible for the media's "algorithm" to show them only what would get them to vote a particular way. Then, once elected, they find out all the stuff they weren't told before the election.
@RickiTarr “if you think education is expensive, try stupidity and find out”

@jeffzugale @RickiTarr

Strictly, the converse is ignorance.

The distinction is significant since we know cures for ignorance; whereas stupidity is hard work to improve.

@RickiTarr
We will all be victimized by the stupidity of the electorate.

@RickiTarr BUT EGGS ARE SO EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW!

🙄

@RickiTarr “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.”

@RickiTarr Now they need to learn the things THEY count towards feeling so called inflation, primarily staple items from the grocery or big box stores and eating out isn't inflation, it is greedflation.

I'm not talking about economic policy and theory. I'm talking about average and low informed voter witching about the economy.

While the price of a shopping cart of staple items at Kroger jumped from $100 to $140 or more, their profits increased to record levels.

That's not inflation if the stores pass it on plus a hell of a lot more to customer and take the money out. https://www.commondreams.org/news/kroger-profits

Kroger Executive Admits [to the FTC during hearing ] Company Gouged Prices Above Inflation
https://www.newsweek.com/kroger-executive-admits-company-gouged-prices-above-inflation-1945742

Kroger Posts Massive Profits Amid Price Gouging Outcry and Merger Push | Common Dreams

Kroger's price gouging to pass on "inflation" to consumers has paid off, earning $466 million in Q2 2024. Its proposed merger with Albertsons faces FTC challenge over fears of a monopoly and job losses. Should consumers pay the price for corporate greed? #CorporateGreed

Common Dreams

@paul @RickiTarr Reminds me about the Loblaws/PC brand store boycott recently here in Canada, over prices they’re charging.

… and the day the company put out a statement saying they understand the concerns and will work to keep prices affordable, etc., was *the same day* they sent a release to their shareholders touting how much the company profits had increased.

@RickiTarr
The angel on my shoulder says we should feel empathy, but truth be told I'm part of the group on that last bullet point
@RickiTarr
I'm calling BS. *maybe* some people have been living in a fucking hole but we've all known about the orange mfer for decades. They're just embarrassed because he squeaked out the win.
@ldlundstrom @RickiTarr he did a lot more than squeak out the win. He annihilated Harris. Insane to realize but the unfortunate truth.
@veedems @RickiTarr
1.6% more of the vote is not a blowout.
@RickiTarr Is this a real thing, or just a wishful meme? Are there any concrete examples of trump voters actually showing any introspection in any way?
@tito_swineflu @RickiTarr yeah I’d like to see some actual evidence lol

@RickiTarr this will be blamed on everyone else, never themselves, never Trump

You cannot be friends with that and it is wrong to force people to compromise their morals just so Trumpers can stop whining

@RickiTarr you should edit and change having to go to school to being the object lesson.
@RickiTarr I don’t understand why they are just realizing these things now. What changed?

@LoganFive @RickiTarr

As in Brexit, many mainstream media began to explain the consequences of choosing Brexit/Trump AFTER the election, not before.

@RickiTarr I imagine that when our economy hits the toilet after the tariffs and the mass deportation of agricultural workers, the MAGA reaction will be to rage against the Democrats for causing the sky-high prices on imports and the collapse of American farming.

Because that's who their dear leader, our incoming felon-in-chief, will tell them caused their economic pain.

@Bodling @RickiTarr
This is pretty much what is happening in the UK now.
Those who voted for the Tory party to deliver Brexit blame Labour for making them face up to the painful consequences of their decision
https://youtu.be/pRNhlvKMfDo
Brexit WIPED £250,000/Year Off Fishing Biz Thanks To Brexit Trade Barriers

YouTube
@RickiTarr
IF ONLY THERE WAS A PHRASE TO SHOUT AT THEM WHEN THEY GET BIG MAD. A SIMPLE, THREE-WORD PHRASE.

@RickiTarr "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."

H. L. Mencken

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public."

(I would add intelligence)

H. L. Mencken

"In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican."

H. L. Mencken

@RickiTarr

I'm going to be saying "you wanted this", "you voted for this", etc to a lot of people, aren't I?

@oblomov

Just in case you can't follow US politics well enough, it is easy to spot the fake.

Trump voters never wanted to be friends with leftists and liberals cuz they think leftist and liberals are bad people. They certainly are not mad about it.

Trump voters feel validated in voting for trump when they hear that leftists say things like "I hope you get what's coming for you" cuz that just proves how bad those people are.

Self licking ice cream cones and echo chambers. This meme is comes from the left to make leftist feel better somehow, but doesn't report accurately on what's going on with the right.

@noiq @oblomov You clearly don't live the life or in the area I do, this is incredibly common

@RickiTarr @oblomov

I live in a very very red county in a blue state. So a bit of both worlds.

@RickiTarr
Fuck them and fuck their "Buyer's regret".

@RickiTarr my schadenfreud wants to believe that, but i'm skeptical it's more than a few people who are already getting up to speed.

But hey, hopefully i'm wrong.

@tshirtman It's too late for them to take it back either way
@RickiTarr i know it's far and a lot of damage can be done by then, but making sure people understand the pain they inflicted upon themselves by midterms seems primarily important.