“The world is made up of herbivores and carnivores. If we decide to remain herbivores, the carnivores win.”

— French President Emmanuel Macron after the US reelection of Donald Trump, November 7, 2024.

@randahl Yeah, let's be weasels instead of those tiny, cowardly, weak herbivores like elephants, horses, bulls, stegosauruses...
@Craigp @randahl Are we parking stegosauruses in Narva to protect the Baltics?

@Mnemosinee Are you parking weasels there?

The point is, people think of carnivores as big and in charge, but in reality they're usually opportunists and bullies.

@Craigp No, Craig, the point is we need to prevent another Bucha in Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Can we please focus on arming ourselves against Russian imperialism and occupation instead of worrying about micro aggressions to stegosaurus?
@Mnemosinee but herbivores have better weapons and are better armed. Carnivores are just murderous, idealizing them is a bad sign.
@Craigp Yes, that's totally the issue here.

@Mnemosinee @Craigp
You seem to think that ignoring the OP is the best way forward.

I see that later on in this thread you've presented good reasons to do that.

@skua This week I'm really sensitive to any signs of some politician going right-wing bully-boy fascist, for obvious reasons.

@Craigp
I think your response to the OP was reasonable.

That quote in the OP was very troubling.

@skua @Craigp I can't even imagine how troubling it must be to be a Ukrainian who maybe had 3 hours of sleep last night between raid alarms and counting the dead in Odessa and Kharkiv, knowing sufficient aid to defend yourself isn't coming, then logging in to Mastodon to read that what we really need in debates about EU defence is a sensitivity read. I'm deeply embarrassed for all of us and hope no Ukrainian has wandered in here.

@Mnemosinee
I know from personal experience that communicating on a topic I have some knowledge and understanding in when others have only a misleading and out of context snapshot to go on is difficult.

And that's without folk dieing around me.

Good luck.