We are not talking about this enough.

@RickiTarr
Pretty standard issue stuff for right wing evangelicals.

Source: was raised as one

@RickiTarr
I kind of wish this surprised me. When I voted this morning one of yhe poll workers told my wife she could set next to me if she wanted. Another poll worker then said she can sit where ever she wants to sit.

@Dr_Ubertrout @RickiTarr Can two voters next to each other see each other votes‽

That is just not an ok setup!

@UlrikNyman @RickiTarr
It would have taken minimal effort at my polling location to see another person's ballot. It was Core-X stands sitting on a table.
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@RickiTarr Does that risk the husband being arrested for voter intimidation and retaliating, though? Might just make a fraught situation worse.
@louis @RickiTarr
He put it on the internet, it doesn't have to be the wife who reports it.
@econads @RickiTarr Excellent point. I wonder if an anonymous tip from a rando could even cause his arrest.
@louis @RickiTarr
Works for hate speech
@econads @RickiTarr How? Hate speech isn't illegal in the US.
@louis @RickiTarr
Maybe it was UK. People certainly been up in court for much more trivial things.
@econads Yeah, that would make sense. They still have blasphemy laws there.
@louis and yet we're much less Christian than you guys. Go figure. *shrugs*.
@econads In one sense, sure, but we've never had a state religion, so there is that.
@louis
Yeah it's a paradox.
I mean the church attendance. For example being openly Christian/religious seems to be required of your politicians, but in UK it would be a hindrance, you'd be a bit suspicious of someone who openly says they listen to God. Like Tim Whatsisface, lib dem leader before the last. Did him no good at all. I don't know anyone growing up that went to church. We just don't really discuss it publicly.
@econads I wonder how much of that can be attributed to religion-specific culture vs general stiff-upper-lip culture though.
@louis nah, church attendance is also really low in comparison. I mean the founding fathers were religious zealots weren't they? Do I mean founding fathers? The ones on the mayflower.
@louis @RickiTarr wait, what about inciting violence? It's not illegal to stand up on a box in front of a crowd and yell "get 'im!" and point at someone? For example.

@econads @RickiTarr Yes, that is illegal, but the precedent is set to a *very* narrow standard (and for good reason).

Specifically, it's defined by the precedent set in Brandenburg v. Ohio, which created a 4-prong test to determine if speech is criminal incitement: The speech must be both (1) intended to and (2) likely to cause (3) imminent (4) lawless action.

@louis @RickiTarr
So you could plan a beating in the street as long as you set the date for 6 weeks time and they couldn't touch you?
@econads @RickiTarr Correct. As I understand it, depending on how involved in the planning you were, you could theoretically be hit with "conspiracy to commit a felony", but that would be based on your actions, not your speech.
@econads @RickiTarr The idea behind that is that if a listener has a "cooling off period" and then still chooses to commit the crime, then they're 100% responsible for making that decision themselves, and it is therefore not incitement.
@louis @RickiTarr hmm guess that makes sense
@RickiTarr
MAGAs casually confessing their crimes in public.

@RickiTarr

Here in Wisconsin, if this were to happen to someone (aside from the legal and moral implications) the person could go vote in person and their in person vote would invalidate their absentee (mail in) ballot.

@RickiTarr Wow, the level of entitlement and shittiness is incredible. And a complete denial of democracy. People fought for the secrecy of voting, and trumpbro thinks he knows better. Vile.
@RickiTarr There is not a guaranteed way to enable a wife to exercise free will in voting if her abusive husband doesn’t want her to. FFS all this attention to the act of voting as though the problem wasn’t that our society tolerates relationships where one person (man) has so much control over another (woman). Fix that and voting takes care of itself.
@VirginiaHolloway @RickiTarr This is why I’m expressly anti-marriage (at least as far as the government having anything to do with it and conferring any special privileges, rights, or responsibilities on married people) and anti-“traditional family”. There is no marriage equality when marriage exists to institutionalize inequality.

@RickiTarr With every "your vote is your own" TV ad, we've been screaming this at the screen at home.

TODAY IN VENN DIAGRAMS:
The people who call voting by mail a fraud, and the ones who would absolutely vote by mail to make sure their whole household votes a certain way.

@RickiTarr I have a lot of peeves with the US electoral process (understatement).

But this.

THIS.

Is the first thing we need to fix.

@RickiTarr If anyone, liberal or otherwise, doubts it happens, we can have a chat about it. I grew up with a Democratic mom and a Republican father. I know she voted her way a lot of the time, but the pressure he put on her was unreal. Yes, he's an asshole.

@RickiTarr My dad has verbally agreed with my evangelical grandmother that women getting the vote "ruined everything."

They would take it away from women at the first real opportunity.

@RickiTarr Imagine -- your mom and your husband agreeing about that, in front of you. This was 2007 as well, not the dark ages.

It had an effect. After decades of it, my mom gave in and swung hard right, more or less because of racism (Obama) and a desire to keep peace in her marriage. None of this shit is how a democracy works.

@RickiTarr God damn, the political fights my dad and I used to have (when I looked female). He did everything he could to punish me for being a Democrat -- including have his friends over to our house who "joked" that Democrats should be killed, but that I wouldn't be if I "behaved."

Again, right in front of my dad. Florida, 2008.

Letting this sort of behavior go on -- and people making memes about it, in 2004! -- is a fucking embarrassment.

@RickiTarr I'm sorry to make this about myself.

But if anyone wanted a little peek at why I'm the way I am about voting, and have been talking about it nonstop for three months, well here you go.

Get these fuckwads out of power, already.

For all the girls, and women, and trans guys who still look female, who are all carrying this nation on their backs.

@RickiTarr This should say 2024, I'm so irritated at this that I've become unable to type numbers.
@erosdiscordia
One thing that has appalled me is that THIS scene is possible at all--physically possible I mean. That, for starters, can and should be fixed. And yes, then there's A LOT more that needs fixing. Fuck the Tom Coxes!
@RickiTarr
@Eetschrijver @RickiTarr A poll worker failed here.
@erosdiscordia
I don't know enough about typical US polling station layout. I lived there for a couple of years but as a non-American I never set foot inside a polling station.
@RickiTarr

@Eetschrijver @RickiTarr The weird thing is they're all different! Every one I've been to has a different layout. Some were just booths facing the wall around the perimeter of a large room, or spaced really far out. Some were crappy folding tables with the type of cardboard divider you'd make a science-fair backdrop out of.

I just feel at no point should they be as close together as these two were for their votes in this picture. If a rural Appalachian library can get it right, then what's going on here? Who gives a shit if the press gets a nice photo out of it? Someone should have privately offered her a chance to re-do, or something. It's so obvious he is a controlling skunk.

@erosdiscordia @RickiTarr Well, precisely. This kind of thing can't be tolerated, especially since it's blatantly obvious what he's doing here for all to see--and I'm pretty sure he's far from the only one!
@Eetschrijver He's trying to see how the woman beside him is voting.
@ccdudley85 As is blatantly obvious, yes, hence my rant.

@Eetschrijver Does show a serious lack of confidence though.

Perhaps he paid her to show up.

@Eetschrijver @RickiTarr @erosdiscordia I like the take someone had–That he wasn’t so much “controlling” her as he was confused as to what to do, having never participated in an election before 😄

Or maybe he was waiting for her to read the ballot to him 🍼

@MichaelPorter @Eetschrijver @RickiTarr 🤭

He sure does look like a kid cheating on a test.

@erosdiscordia
Agree. Cheating clumsily, that is. Because he's not really good at anything at all.
@MichaelPorter @RickiTarr
@RickiTarr this is why in Michigan we pushed early voting in the polls harder than absentee voting. Because there's added protections at the poll. And it's definitely why we had more women voting early this year.