STOP DOING HOMEWORK

CHILDREN WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO SPEND TWELVE HOURS A DAY DOING SCHOOLWORK

YEARS OF BUSY WORK yet NO REAL WORLD USE FOUND for replacing free time with MORE SCHOOL

Wanted to learn during your free time anyway for a laugh? We had a tool for that: it was called "THE LIBRARY"

"The assignment is due tomorrow. It is worth 50 percent of your grade." - Statements dreamt up by the utterly deranged

"Sorry can't go out tonight, I have homework"

They have played us for absolute fools

@redsad
Ha. I figured that out in middle school, and stopped doing homework.

I never failed a class, but I made a lot of teachers VERY angry at me. My response was simple: if I knew the material, doing a bunch of busy work was pointless. And they could NEVER prove I didn't know it, because I did.

I'm an advocate of doing enough work to be certain you understand the concept, and then stopping.

If I had kids, their teachers would hate me.

@realtegan @redsad Yep. I graduated HS with like a 2.7 GPA despite getting 100% on basically every test in every subject. Principal was bewildered that the kid mostly known for C's and D's and sleeping through all of his non-science and non-band classes was somehow graduating a year yearly, until he poked at the grades breakdowns and was just like "oh, you just don't literally ever do homework, and you're willing to come 0.1% shy of failing a class to keep it that way... whatever, bye"

@klardotsh @realtegan @redsad 2.5 GPA, but 2.9 with all the bonus points for Honors and AP classes

Same energy, though

My chemistry teacher admitted I was only the second student she ever had that could pass her class without homework (50% of the grade, but the tests were heavily curved).

@soatok @klardotsh @realtegan @redsad My school's admin was surprised that I got the [high score on state tests] scholarship despite my grades being a C average, simply because they couldn't imagine someone that barely did the homework but had such a rock solid grasp of the material to absolutely nail the tests.

I continued this into college, too: I almost never did the homework in my chemistry class, and yet absolutely nailed the midterm and finals with high 90s. About 20 minutes faster than any other student in the room, too... (although TBF I was hopped up on enough caffeine and prescription stimulants for time to become meaningless...)

My college calc class had a "if you solve some short problems at the beginning of each class, there's no homework for you" policy, and so I got one point shy of perfect in that one...

@soatok @klardotsh @realtegan @redsad I'm upset with myself that I only realized how unnecessarily stressful it was to aim for that 4.0 GPA inasmuch as possible after everything was said and done.
@klardotsh @realtegan @redsad I stopped doing homework and my teachers failed me. I had to do most of my 11th grade classes over again while also taking my 12th grade classes. It sucked.

@bunny_jane @klardotsh @redsad
Doesn't work for everyone, sadly. I ended up in conferences with most of my teachers over homework issues. I told them what I thought of homework, and most of them were reasonable, if utterly exasperated. I recognize that I was lucky.

The one time I couldn't understand something, I spent every day for a week after school with the teacher to figure it out. Word kind of spread. I would put in the work if I had to.

But mostly I didn't have to.

@klardotsh @realtegan @redsad Same. Nobody ever explained to me that grades matter. Fortunately, I aced the SAT, & there was a formula. I couldn't do homework anyway, due to undx'd ADHD. I've only ever had As since I got meds (One exception- a B when I had to drive from L.A. to Aptos, and the machine ate my in-class final exam- a Perl program. I got a zero). I've attended college for 50 years. Dx'd 25 years ago.

@realtegan @redsad I had a fantastic math teacher who never checked homework. Her policy was that homework is for our benefit - do it because you'll need the practice for the test, or don't, you decide.

I almost never did any because it just didn't work for me (I had other ways of practicing), and as a result massively enjoyed that class more and did better at it than if I did do homework!

She also had the fantastic cheating policy of "if I don't catch you you've earned it", and had a bit of an anarchist spirit, sometimes telling us crazy stories of demonstrations she participated in... What an amazing woman.

@realtegan @redsad

I found doing homework problems enormously useful… when I was studying calculus.

There were a couple of other times I probably should have done it, for instance when studying languages, where repetition really does make a huge difference.

But overall, I literally had a teacher once send home a note saying "He is very bright and a joy to have in class, but I cannot recall that he has ever handed in a homework assignment."

@redsad hi, from a teacher that does what I can to give most kids almost none.. maybe a little if the student needs more time after class.
@redsad no because why tf would we let children have wills to live

@redsad high school homework was the one thing I hated the most out of everything in my life.

i still have nightmares sometimes that I'm failing high school; that I've forgotten to finish homework, go to class.

hell world

@redsad The worst thing about homework is that either you understood the topic and are able to do the homework, or you don't understand the topic and struggle through it for hours, possibly not doing them at all, only to get reprimanded from your teacher. That is also reinforced by parents not being able to help for reasons and not being able to afford tutoring.
Homework is a fucked system in so many ways.
@yuri @redsad This! And also that many (not all) teachers usually where like "homework is just 30 mins"... forgetting that there are like 6 to 8 different classes a day.
@Zitruskeks @redsad Haha yes, i remember discussing this with some teachers.
@redsad a lot of my school and uni was unironically about learning which teachers care/don't care about homework and optimizing it that way

@redsad

Study: Homework achieves nothing, standardized tests are garbage, and students do better with less class time. Here’s 14 pages of evidence.

Schools: We are cutting recess so we can spend more time going over the mountain of homework that we are assigning to prepare for the next standardized test.

(To be fair, often the schools know this is insane, but can’t convince others of it - particularly politicians and, frustratingly, parents.)

@redsad

Children shouldn't have homework.
There are so many reasons:
Some are carers for disabled or ill parents.
Some don't have supportive parents or even abusive ones.
Some have parents who work shifts and odd hours, or are simply just busy trying to make ends meet.
What about single parents who may have three children who all have homework? It's hard enough as it is.

You can have the best support at home, but ultimately, let children be children!

@redsad when I worked at a school, I was flagged for giving too little homework. The kids are over scheduled because the parents are working twelve hour days and communal places are no longer accessible.
@redsad memes aside, are you only against assignments that children are supposed to do outside of the time dedicated to classes, and hand in? Or are you opposed to children needing to study outside of school hours at all?
@wolf480pl I'm for children having free time for self care and pursuing their own interests
@redsad me too. But how do you propose the society should make that happen? What policy do you propose?

@redsad
For example, in Poland, teachers were forbidden from giving students homework, but they can still ask students to prepare for a task they'll have to do in class.

So, for example, they can't say
"do exercises 3.10, 3.11 a-d and 3.12 a-b on page 24 and hand them in by tomorrow"
but they can say
"tomorrow I'll be asking random people to do exercises 3.10 3.11 a-d and 3.12 a-b from page 24 by the blackboard, feel free to try doing them at home if you want to be prepared"

Is that better?

@redsad on one hand, it emphasizes the abilities children learn, instead of the grind of adding two numbers 20 times.

So I think that's good.

On the other hand, it frees up the time of those who already know how to do the exercise, could do it in seconds and have the rest of the day off. But it doesn't do anything for those who struggle.

So it doesn't really solve anything for the children who need a solution the most.

@wolf480pl I'm not proposing policy, I'm an internet goofball making a silly joke.
@redsad @wolf480pl thid but replace 'free time for self care and pursuing their own interests' to 'literally any rights'

@redsad i emigrated to NL and was asking about homework next year (when my child is 6 turning 7) and the teacher and my partner were absolutely bewildered because there mostly just ??? isn't homework until high school age ???

so much better this way my goodness

@redsad not sure that statement applies to everyone. The things I learned in my free time, and stuff we should have done in class but didn't, are pretty much directly related to the career I work in now. Software development. In school, our IT lessons were so poor we didn't really get much past hello world. Felt like our teacher was forced into IT lessons in the 80's. But homework made us write small coding tasks, luckily I had a Spectrum48K to test them on. Not saying this applies to everyone.
@redsad those are too many words for "I want to be left lazy and ignorant in peace"
@redsad When I was a kid (from the age of 6 on) I had a bicycle, a wristwatch, 3 coins for phone and the instruction to be home at 6 pm.
I learnt a lot during these afternoons exploring everything.
But the local librarian knew my name, too...
@redsad Genuinely from the 5th grade onwards I would only do my homework assignments if I could finish them before I left school, lmao
@redsad so, how can you get skill without practice?

@redsad
@darkfox

And this is why I rarely did any homework in the 90s!
Everybody thought I was just lazy. Nope, I've got that increased sensitivity to injustice.
And that view, when I got to adulthood, became an understanding homework is designed to prepare you, and desensatize you, for your employer squeezing unpaid labor out of you... stay late, clock in after prepping your station, just send that email...