After yesterday’s DS5 used by François Hollande, here’s a car that corresponds much more closely to most people’s notion of a presidential Citroën. This 1968 DS-based limousine by Chapron was commissioned under Charles de Gaulle but mainly used by his successor Georges Pompidou. Photo from a visit to Citroën’s Conservatoire in 2012.

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Used 1969 Citroen DS 21 Berline Chapron 'Majesty' for sale | DD Classics

Used 1969 Citroen DS 21 Berline Chapron 'Majesty' for sale in Richmond, Surrey, available from DD Classics, Car Dealer

@craigmorgan Actually that’s a *slightly* different one from the same coach builder. I’ve got some photos, which, now the subject has come up, I shall use for tomorrow’s post!
@davidwilkins yes, this is one of the late S3 models which are few in number, as the whole Majesty run was only 27 I believe, most being the S2 (with the open lights) … I just love the DS interior generally and this just ratchets that up with the extra wood, air-con, hand-finishing, leather, etc
@davidwilkins sorry, my "theres one", should have been "a Chapron", not implying the same model … IME, any of his coachbuilt work appearing for sale is somewhat rare

@craigmorgan @davidwilkins

They've got an SM which I don't normally like the look of but it's in a really nice blue.

https://www.ddclassics.com/used/cars/citroen/sm/automatic-3-litre-261

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Used 1973 Citroen SM Automatic 3-Litre for sale in Richmond, Surrey, available from DD Classics, Car Dealer

@serichards @davidwilkins I'd be happy with the blue, but I think I'd hold out for a manual … that V6 is not the most endowed thing ever created and I'd like to think I could live with modern traffic more readily with a manual … nice to see a non gold/sand one though!

@serichards @craigmorgan @davidwilkins I have a sort of love/hate of the SM.

I love the hydropneumatic self-leveling suspension, the Diravi steering with “monobranche” wheel, the oval dashboard instrumentation, the brake “mushroom” pedal, the fact that it is a big 2 door GT tourer, the enclosed front lights with corner illumination.

The overall shape I find somewhat underwhelming, and as a Citroën enthusiast, this is very troubling.

#CitroënSM #WeirdCar

@ZeKik @serichards @craigmorgan @davidwilkins The profile view is my favorite. The rear looks awkward. I enjoyed owning one for 20yrs, but don’t miss it now. The people who know how to maintain and fix it are literally dying out, that’s one big reason I was done with it.

@adrianco @ZeKik @serichards @davidwilkins makes perfect sense, there's still one or two specialists here in UK. I think sadly this is the fate of many of the more niche specialists, lack of new "apprenticed" workers/owners and small volumes are the death-knell for many, only the larger volume (ie. Porsche/Jaguar) or higher value (Ferrari/Lamb. etc) attract investment.

Lets celebrate and support the odd-ball specialists that are solo keeping some of the greatest old metal operational …

@craigmorgan @adrianco @serichards @davidwilkins probably varies by country. In France, they could be around for a while yet.

OEM manufacturer restomod is also becoming a bit of a thing, which might spread to other marques. The restored cars are very expensive though.

@ZeKik @adrianco @serichards @davidwilkins agreed, JLR Classic is a perfect example for instance
@craigmorgan @ZeKik @serichards @davidwilkins The technology in old Citroens is the problem. It’s unique and takes a while to learn. Lon Price in Santa Cruz complained that he kept trying to get an apprentice who would learn from him but they didn’t stick around. Most old cars are remixes of the same basic ingredients but mechanics have no clue about LHM based hydraulics.

@adrianco @craigmorgan @serichards @davidwilkins Lon Price should find a young French mechanic who would love to immigrate to the 🇺🇸!

In the 🇺🇸, it certainly seems difficult to own a Citroën or a Peugeot.

It’s also hard for 🇺🇸 enthusiasts to understand the cars. They are never particularly powerful or fast, because the French registration tax has always discouraged those (the infamous “chevaux fiscaux” or “tax horsepower”, hence the 2CV).

@adrianco @craigmorgan @serichards @davidwilkins Iconic French cars are never about breakneck acceleration or stratospheric top speeds. It has changed a bit in recent decades — V6 engines are more common than they once were, mostly thanks to turbocharged diesel engines, but also because there is no annual registration fee anymore. I can’t even think of a single French built V8.
@ZeKik @craigmorgan @serichards @davidwilkins The SM was one of the fastest cars of its time. But in general you’re right. Technically the Maserati Bora was a French owned V8 for a while…

@adrianco @craigmorgan @serichards @davidwilkins I sort of forgot that the Bugatti Veyron and Chiron are French owned W16’s built in Alsace.

Bugatti itself is still French AFAIK, although I would expect they don’t even sell half a dozen cars in the country per year.

Owned by parent company VAG until recently. Now a subsidiary of Porsche 🇩🇪 and Rimac of Croatia 🇭🇷.

@adrianco @ZeKik @serichards @davidwilkins most of the Shadow II gen of RR utilise similar tech, but then many of the experienced mechs for those are in a similar boat
@craigmorgan @adrianco @serichards @davidwilkins what of the Mercedes-Benz implementation of a self leveling suspension? I think it was rear only for them.
@ZeKik @adrianco @serichards @davidwilkins self-levelling units are generally self-contained and quite widely deployed, but the RR system was a total pressurised hydraulic system w. accumulators like the Citroen one, somewhat simpler and different oil but many parallels … some of the tech still is in use to this day on JCB farm equip I believe
@ZeKik @adrianco @serichards @davidwilkins quick search shows some RR typical details covered here for instance https://rrsilvershadow.com/Emenu/hydr.htm
Rolls-Royce Silver Shadow - Hydraulics

@craigmorgan @ZeKik @adrianco @serichards Back in the early nineties I had a 4x4 Peugeot 405 (user chooser company car). This was on the same platform as the Citroën BX and the 4x4 version of the Peugeot used the Citroën suspension, but only on the rear, for self-levelling. It worked very well.

@davidwilkins @craigmorgan @adrianco @serichards wow! 🤩

Who wouldn’t want to own that gem today?! 😱

@ZeKik @davidwilkins @craigmorgan @serichards I really liked the BX. I had three of them including a BX 16Valve which was an excellent hot hatch.
@adrianco @ZeKik @davidwilkins @serichards my abiding memories of the BX (16v included) are the enveloping teddy bear like seats and the pillowy ride … it was a supremely cosseting place to cover distance especially for its size … the 16v went far better down a B-road than it had any right too ;)

@craigmorgan @adrianco @davidwilkins @serichards I’ve driven a BX G2 diesel automatic (4-speed).

My abiding memory is of something extremely capable, especially on B-roads in Donegal 🇮🇪 (the roads are bumpy because of the bogs, which cause sagging etc).

The engine was unstoppable. An automatic made it feel much more like a long distance cruiser that could go forever while sipping fuel.

#WeirdCar #CitroënBX

@craigmorgan @adrianco @davidwilkins @serichards

As a G2, most of the quirkiness was gone — no control pods around the steering wheel.

Some of the interior finishes were lowish quality, especially the seat adjustments — they moved in big increments with inconvenient to use adjuster wheels.

The trunk (boot) was very rectangular, large, and very usable — with no intrusions on the sides.

Overall, a great automobile for the 💰.

@ZeKik I am there with you. The design has way too many ideas. But I love how not a single angle is boring.
@vinc @ZeKik
The SM is a work of art and a thing of beauty. The lot of you go soak your heads until you get better.

@DenOfEarth @vinc if there was ONE thing that might sway me, it would be the manual shifter. One of the most beautiful known to mankind.

5-speed transmission too. That must have been a rarity back then.

* I don’t mean the shifter stick itself, although that is nice too, but mostly, that gate down there. Ugh… incredible! I would love to experience how it feels in actual use.

@DenOfEarth @vinc close up… 👇
@ZeKik @DenOfEarth @vinc It look cool but it clanks. The gearbox works fine but it’s not particularly special. Long throw and slow. The SM is hard to drive smoothly until you get used to it, because the brakes and steering are very sensitive.
@adrianco @DenOfEarth @vinc yeah… I could tell that was likely the case, much like Mercedes-Benz manual transmissions — at least the pre Y2K ones (haven’t driven a manual MBZ post Y2K) — but in this case, the beauty of the thing in motion is worth it IMHO. 😜

@DenOfEarth @vinc @ZeKik

Produced after Citroën acquired Maserati, it incorporates the best of both brands: trademark Citroën design with a powerful Maserati V6 engine under the hood. The French government even ordered two custom ceremonial SM's with open roof for the presidential fleet.