Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail 2024 Extra Days – Warszawa Conference - Berlin - Erkner - Frankfurt (Oder) - Warszawa - Frankfurt (Oder) - Erkner - Berlin

Crossing these borders:
Frankfurt (Oder) 🇩🇪 - Slubice 🇵🇱 (but have crossed this before)

These borders on the borders map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#14/52.3303/14.5671

Today's routes on the routes map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#7/52.982/16.166

#CrossBorderRail All The Borders

All of Europe's rail borders - categorised by type, and whether I (Jon Worth) have been to the location. KEY Black - #000000: visited in 2022 during #CrossBorderRail Project Dark grey - #222222: visited in since the 2022 project Mid grey - #555555: tramways and narrow gauge lines, visited Light grey - #999999: not yet visited Very light grey - #BBBBBB: used for tramways and narrow gauge lines ICONS Track with cross - track is missing or out of use Train with cross, and track - track is useable but no passenger trains Train and track - passenger trains run Map developed as part of my #CrossBorderRail project http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/

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#CrossBorderRail 2024 Extra Days – Warszawa Conference Train 1 of 8
S 42
04:46 Berlin Hermannstrasse - Berlin Ostkreuz 04:55
DB S-Bahn Berlin

Train type: Stadler-Siemens S-Bahn 483/484, 2x 4 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (step free, gap free at Hermannstrasse)
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (lots of multi use spaces)
🧽: 🙂

S 42
04:56 Berlin Hermannstrasse - Berlin Ostkreuz 05:05

Distance: 5.3km
Average speed: 35km/h

4 stops:
Berlin-Neukölln
Berlin Sonnenallee
Berlin Treptower Park
Berlin Ostkreuz (S)

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#14/52.4853/13.4505

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#CrossBorderRail 2024 Extra Days – Warszawa Conference Train 2 of 8
S 3
05:02 Berlin Ostkreuz - Erkner 05:31
DB S-Bahn Berlin

Train type: Adtranz and DWA (later Bombardier) 481 EMU, 4x 2 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (not quite as good as the newer 484, but still v good)
🧽: 🙂

S 3
05:12 Berlin Ostkreuz - Erkner 05:41

Distance: 21.6km
Average speed: 45km/h

10 stops:
Berlin-Rummelsburg
Berlin Betriebsbf Rummelsburg
Berlin-Karlshorst (S)
Berlin-Wuhlheide
Berlin-Köpenick
Berlin-Hirschgarten
Berlin-Friedrichshagen
Berlin-Rahnsdorf
Berlin-Wilhelmshagen
Erkner (S)

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#12/52.4656/13.6109

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And why the hell am I going to Warszawa this way?

Because there are engineering works on the main line between Berlin and Erkner, and the EuroCity only starts in Frankfurt (Oder)

Were the Ostbahn Kostrzyn - Berlin electrified trains could divert over that #CrossBorderRail route. But that hasn’t happened and won’t happen soon…

And I’m in Warszawa to speak at #Eurotrans2024 https://eurotrans2024.sgh.waw.pl/en/agenda Luckily my panel is early afternoon, allowing me to make a day trip to Warszawa

It’s not the most interesting day in terms of the borders - I know Frankfurt (Oder) 🇩🇪 - Slubice 🇵🇱 all too well. But it’ll be interesting to see how the Faeser-trashes-Schengen controls work later on. Will they control everyone, or only minorities?

Meanwhile passing Rahnsdorf (towards Erkner)

Not to be confused with Rangsdorf (south of Schönefeld Airport)

Just as Lichterfelde is not to be confused with Lichtenrade or Lichtenberg. And Mariendorf and Marienfelde.

After all these years in Berlin I still mix them up

#CrossBorderRail 2024 Extra Days – Warszawa Conference Train 3 of 8
RE 1 (73754)
05:50 Erkner - Frankfurt (Oder) 06:31
Ostdeutsche Eisenbahn GmbH

Train type: Siemens Desiro HC EMU, 6 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 🙂 (I like the single-double deck mix)
🧽: 😐 (graffiti on some windows)

RE 1 (73754)
05:50 Erkner - Frankfurt (Oder) 06:31

Distance: 56.7km
Average speed: 83km/h

8 stops:
Fangschleuse
Fürstenwalde(Spree)
Berkenbrück
Briesen(Mark)
Jacobsdorf(Mark)
Pillgram
Frankfurt(Oder)-Rosengarten
Frankfurt(Oder)

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#11/52.3752/14.0834

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I don’t know how the train manager is so cheery before 6am on this train to Frankfurt (Oder), but good morning! 😀 Apologies if I couldn’t quite match the energy with my Guten Morgen!

#CrossBorderRail 2024 Extra Days – Warszawa Conference Train 4 of 8
EC 41
06:49 Frankfurt (Oder) - Warszawa Centralna 10:57
DB Fernverkehr AG, PKP Intercity

Train type: Siemens Vectron locomotive, 6 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ⛔️ (used to, but now doesn’t 😡)
🦽: ✅ (needs lift or ramp on platform)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ✅
🧳: 😐 (very limited space in compartment carriages, high steps)
🧽: 🙂 (spotless)

EC 41
06:49 Frankfurt (Oder) - Warszawa Centralna 10:57

Distance: 477.9km
Average speed: 116km/h

8 stops:
Rzepin
Świebodzin
Zbąszynek
Poznań Gl.
Konin
Kutno
Warszawa Zachodnia
Warszawa Centralna

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-extra-days-2024_1030682#8/52.255/17.775

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Szczaniec

No we weren’t meant to stop here…

Damn, how has PKP IC messed this up?

EC 41 is now *only* compartment carriages - not ideal in itself! - and that means no bike transport

PKP IC has these decent 2nd class open carriages with bike spaces. Why not use those here still? They used to run them

Thanks @mattfullerton for alerting me to the problem, that I can confirm

Also ALL EuroCity trains Berlin-Warszawa now are timetabled to run without bike spaces. WHY?

Trains without bike spaces I’ve encountered. But ones that used to have them and now don’t - that’s absurd!

Also all compartment carriages isn’t good either - end up with the wrong people in your compartment and that can be grim.

All you need for Berlin-Warszawa is 160km/h DE and PL approved carriages. PKP IC has loads of these with bike spaces.

There can’t be an approval problem to run the ones with bike spaces to Germany as they used to run (unless some permission were revoked, but is that really the case here?)

So on balance of probability this is just a crap management decision - to deploy the newest compartment carriages on Berlin-Warszawa, but then they forgot about cyclists.

At least there’s still a @diningcar though!

@jon @diningcar And it's not just a bike problem with these compartment carriages:
- Best way to put a large luggage? the narrow corridor.
- Best way to put a stroller? the entrance doors.

I'd wager the restaurant is probably the best place to put large luggage in these compartment-only trains depending on configuration (I've seen several models of the Wars car too).

@gendx @jon @diningcar why do they even make compartment carriages these days? I thought they were a relic of the past
@IngaLovinde @gendx @diningcar Poland still seems to really like them. Not sure why. Not least as they're lower capacity than open carriages.
@jon @IngaLovinde @gendx @diningcar they are still nice in some specific use cases I think. I often use women-only compartments in CD trains, compartments for parents with children seem to be also nice, as they allow them to be a bit noisier when playing without bothering other people.
@shine @IngaLovinde @gendx @diningcar Perhaps. But only compartments as this is here, no thanks!
@jon @IngaLovinde @gendx @diningcar For sure. Few compartments in each train for purposes like this are likely a good idea, but this is ridiculous.

@jon @shine @IngaLovinde @gendx @diningcar
As an introverted Polish compartment fiend, well, choice is good and people have good reasons for wanting/needing either. I like (the modern six-seat) compartments because they offer connection, the rare opportunity to talk to strangers (sometimes) and/or just more quiet with less anxiety about sharing a space with lots of people (usually otherwise). (Admittedly, I am male, travel during the day and rarely take big bags with me) I'd say the ideal train is between 1/3 and 2/3 compartments. And maybe it's something like that for more people (though I wouldn't quite call the compartment a Polish cultural institution or anything like that) - I mean, surely they wouldn't be ordering significant amounts of brand-new ones if they didn't have data suggesting people (or certain well-placed persons) want them, right?

(Hello, been following your profile accountless for a while now, I hope I won't be a nuisance)