mozilla's main problem right now appears to be they just do not recognise that they have pissed users' trust up a wall and now we are suspicious of everything they do.

you cannot, in a position like that, just do things which look dodgy as fuck and expect users to suck it up quietly, whether or not they are as they look.

and for the white knighting mozilla employees who have to defend the poor organisation from all that criticism, fuck off actually, mozilla brought this on itself.

look, i'm going to put this in simple words that even a mozilla employee could understand:

earn back our trust or die.

mozilla is pretty fucked anyway, they have relied on google buying default search engine placement illegally.

even if they manage to scrape out of this by building back trust, we are all likely to move onto servo at some point.

you may recall moz started servo, then merged part of it into gecko, then abandoned servo.

like they did with rust and some other things. things they've done for the better are the things they are abandoning.

absolutely zero long term vision or planning tbh. servo makes *so much sense* for the future if you are mozilla, i cannot fathom that decision.

@dysfun And they fail to realise that the people who stayed are not the normal “I just want to go to Google” people.

We are the weird ones. The ones who use DDG and Signal, who turn off location tracking and notifications for everything, who read the fucking licence agreements.

They have no idea who their users are.

@dysfun Mozilla needs to promote the people who build the Facebook containerisation, not people who think that Microsoft Edge is the pinnacle of browser development.
@samir @dysfun sadly saw DDG return AI generated summary.

@samir @dysfun

I think this has been a common misconception for over 20 years. They know full well who their users are, but they want different ordinary ones and lots of them.

Product Marketing like all the moz schmoz but they like the silent majority more.

@dysfun I'm still miffed at them for abandoning B2G (boot-to-gecko). It was so promising and then they dropped it and now there's a somewhat successful closed source Chinese commercial product built on top of the remains (KaiOS) which paints a what could have been if Mozilla cared enough to keep the thing going.
@Polychrome @dysfun having been there while that was happening, unfortunately it was fucked from the start because they let mobile carriers call the shots and the carriers wanted dirt-cheap devices so the user experience was awful on the phones that actually managed to ship.
@tedmielczarek @dysfun yeah I have the orange Alcatel one and it looks adorable but is otherwise barely usable.

@dysfun this is the part that does my head in

there are so many cool and worthwhile projects that mozilla started and then just ..... noped out on

but then there's shit like "Firefox Personality" and all kinds of other junk which they spent way too much time on, both per project and as total mindshare

management priorities for the utterly deranged

@dysfun of all of these, spinning the Rust project out to its own foundation is the most defensible. There was a lot of hesitation around Rust adoption with Mozilla employing the majority of the core development team. Divesting of Servo after all the engineering work done to integrate large chunks of Servo's implementation into Firefox still feels extremely short-sighted.
@dysfun i'd even settle for be normal or die
@dysfun and now about the only way they could possibly do that is to bake uBlock Origin into Firefox itself, 100% fund its development, and provide dedicated staff to update rules
@jpm just fucking hire the author