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Andrew LokenauthNormalize not having an opinion on things you don’t understand.
You're allowed to say, “I don't know enough about this to have an opinion on it.”
Stefan Scholl@FluentInFinance OK, I won't vote again.
Ariaflame@Stefan_S_from_H @FluentInFinance Or you could educate yourself so that other people who don't know anything don't control your life?
Alexander The 1st@FluentInFinance I'd rather not normalize that, because my immediate thought is U.S. Republican Senators and Members of Congress saying "I don't know enough about this to have an opinion on it." with respect to mass shootings, and whether or not gun control should be legislated.
If it is your job to have an opinion on it, you can't claim ignorance.
small, primitive, wingless@AT1ST @FluentInFinance a legislator is not a normal person
@silverfish @FluentInFinance Sure, but they're not the only person I would apply this too, just the most obvious.
And if the issue is within your field specifically, you should know enough to have an opinion on it, even if that opinion is "I'd need to know more before I can comment on it properly, *but* my understanding is...".
LisPi@AT1ST @FluentInFinance Refusing to learn what is necessary for their job, in any other job, would be a good way to get fired.
Maybe that should be implemented?
Maybe that should be implemented?
@lispi314 @FluentInFinance The big problem with this is them being the ones to define what is necessary for their job.
And they wrote that one act that meant the CDC could not fund research that advocated for gun control...which left the CDC to basically not fund any research into it, because the evidence kept advocating for gun control.
mosher@FluentInFinance
Heads up! This makes a lot of people very mad. Which is one thing I don't understand, but don't feel bad about having an opinion on.
Heads up! This makes a lot of people very mad. Which is one thing I don't understand, but don't feel bad about having an opinion on.
John Mastodon@FluentInFinance Absurd. Not only environmentalists can talk about global warming for example. You might actually inform yourself if you have a desire of improvement. It's called researching, and it involves reading a lot!
Jargoggles@FluentInFinance
Also "I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head, but I know how to find it."
Also "I don't know the answer to that off the top of my head, but I know how to find it."
Colin from Edinburgh.@FluentInFinance
That cliché is old and tired.
That cliché is old and tired.
Eric Z. Johnson
AlexanderMars@FluentInFinance don’t we already have a wilful ignorance problem?
mickymorse@FluentInFinance Morons never say "I don't know." All of the gop have a "concept" of knowing. Follow a conman imbecile and his concept of project 2025.
okanogen VerminEnemyFromWithin@FluentInFinance
"A giant pizza pie (chart) of "I have no earthly clue!".
https://youtu.be/ooWailmzEoQ?si=_-zVbeFjPNuD-Aus
"A giant pizza pie (chart) of "I have no earthly clue!".
https://youtu.be/ooWailmzEoQ?si=_-zVbeFjPNuD-Aus
Joshua Byrd@FluentInFinance this goes for large language models too
Bleep@phocks @FluentInFinance yes. I have noticed myself being trained by LLMs to evolve coping mechanisms where I make them more productive by offering them an ‘out’ and instructing them to tell me if their confidence I the answer is not high. “Just let me know, it is OK to say ‘I don’t know’”.
Beeks@FluentInFinance I know more about finance than this bot.
Cykonot@FluentInFinance a lot of times, when you tell someone something new, they'll loudly say "But I thought (random assumption)." As a kind of opposing proposition. They ACT like it's a question, but if you don't bite, they just start arguing.
My god is that annoying. Why spout off your uneducated assumptions like that. I don't want to argue with you. Why ask me? Why am I even talking to someone with so high and opinion of themselves and so low an opinion of me.
That's not how you ask questions.
@cykonot
> ... high opinion of themselves and low opinion of me
I don't get why you'd feel negative about a counter-statement.
• people think others are like themselves, so they may have thought you were just building on different assumptions than them
• how much "research" (Googling) can beat common-sense assumptions
@[email protected] @FluentInFinance because a counter statement isn't even an argument. And I said I don't get why they'd ask me, implying I was referring to instances they'd asked me a question.
If you can't understand how inefficient of a way to interact that is, while defending "common sense" and implying I lack all expertise (again, I was thinking of times people asked me a question), you're saying a lot about yourself. You could just ask a question, but clearly you prefer combative jackassery
@FluentInFinance making statements like that allows someone to pack in many unspoken assumptions, which can be tedious to address. Also, figuring out precisely which assumptions (false or otherwise) lead to their statement requires assumptions on your end, or for you to ask THEM. Plus, I get the feeling those people didn't have a belief before hand, and made something up on the spot. Then when you address issues with it, they start rationalizing in real time.
A thoughtful person just asks.
@FluentInFinance generally I'd say "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" if I didn't know. If I'm answering, I probably don't want their opinion. So sitting there while they explain their assumptions generally won't interest me.
Sometimes it's because they're speaking to a different usecase / domain. But that is very rare. If we both just made assertions past each other, we wouldn't be going anywhere. I can't read their minds.
Just a tedious, tactless, context-free interaction.
Best response?
"ok."
@FluentInFinance cuz what am I supposed to do with their assumptions? I DON'T just say "ok, and?" Because I like being productive, but its what they deserve.
If they can't make their own point, why should I for them? If they can't formulate a clear rationalization, why should I?
The kind of behavior people who lack theory of mind engage in, frankly. Also 2 narcissists I know do that after asking me specific questions and it's just so extremely tedious. And then they'll Google it. Why ask? 🙄😮💨
@FluentInFinance they were pretty much always just riffing, anyway. They didn't HAVE a real thought before. Just a feeling.
Exceptions, ofc. Sometimes they say something interesting. I wouldn't count this as one of those times. Willfully ignoring social cues and context is generally not fun to deal with. I could have just asked "what makes you say that," but I'm not that interested. Not like you asked me, anyway.
Laurie Kay@FluentInFinance thank you for saying that out loud.
gmoke@FluentInFinance
Good idea for a person with some maturity or perspective but
the people who most need to do it
won't
Good idea for a person with some maturity or perspective but
the people who most need to do it
won't
@FluentInFinance My opinion is that if opinions were reserved for experts, society would get nowhere. Now, if you're talking about loudly arguing for one's opinion in public, against and ignoring opposing evidence, you might have a point.
Robert Kirkendall
Weird 2 - Electric Boogaloo@FluentInFinance This is pretty hard to do in an environment, where you're supposed to have some knowledge and an opinion about all sorts of things.
Some will criticize your, because they mistake your refusal to have an opinion as cowardice.
Others will criticize you, because they mistake your lack of knowledge as (willful) ignorance or idiocy.
Also knowing and noticing when you enter the realm of half-truths and speculation can be tricky as well bc it requires self-reflection.
@FluentInFinance i like how this post has so many naysaying replies that prove it right
jesterchen42@FluentInFinance Perhaps it could even read:
You're expected to say, "I don't know enough about this to have an opinion an it", as long as this deems true.
Kirtai 🏳️⚧️@FluentInFinance
I remember getting shit for this from a teacher at school.
"I don't have an opinion."
"Well *get* one!"
I remember getting shit for this from a teacher at school.
"I don't have an opinion."
"Well *get* one!"
HowToPhil (Phillip R)@FluentInFinance And when someone tries to feed you their opinion, you can say, "I'll have to chew on that for a bit."
arthur.pizza@FluentInFinance told someone I didn't have enough understanding of something to build a solid opinion on it and they got mad at me. 🤣
The hardest thing for a human brain to do is: nothing.
We always have to make up a story, especially when we don't know anything.
acm@FluentInFinance crazy talk! 😆
Bytebro 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇬🇱@FluentInFinance ...and BANG, one little mildly amusing shitpost suddenly becomes a political rant-thread. Hey ho.
Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶 #FBPE@FluentInFinance Most surveys don't have a box to tick for that, so, quite often, no, you're *not* allowed to say that.
Survey designers please note.