A lot of my experience of #ADHD has been a constant, direct philosophical confrontation with what it means to "try"

When one "tries" to do something, does that necessitate a degree of discomfort? Does "trying" logically imply forcing oneself to suffer to some degree? How much? What is the "normal" amount?

Because I can get myself to do things I need to by accepting a degree of pain. I just don't know how much of that pain is normal, and how much is me torturing myself into fitting a mold.

This is even more confusing when my hyperfocus kicks in and I just do stuff without trying — without forcing myself to suffer. Why should I intentionally inflict pain on myself when there's clear evidence that action without effort is possible?

When my executive function decides to check out, what am I supposed to do? At what point is a task so important that it justifies torturing myself into action? Is that ever justified, or is that just a maladaptive habit?

I feel like this is the root of most of my depression. I constantly feel like I'm not trying hard enough unless I'm suffering — and that my productivity is determined by my pain threshold, which always has room to grow.

But why do anything if I need to torture myself to do it? What's the point? Why not just lay here in bed all day? It's so much easier.

It's not surprising that I spiral into the abyss when my thinking goes in this direction.

I don't just have executive dysfunction, I have *meta* executive dysfunction.

What I mean is when I'm struggling to get myself to do something there's an additional level of stubbornness and refusal to act that comes from the idea that I *shouldn't* be struggling at all. Maybe I could do the thing if I make myself suffer, but why should I make myself suffer? Why is this thing so damn important that I have to slowly kill myself to make it happen?

I don't know how to escape this loop.

Actually, that's incorrect. I do know how to escape the loop: stop trying entirely.

If I can exist in a state of effortless action, then the problem becomes moot. The challenge with that strategy is that by definition, I cannot guarantee what I will or won't accomplish. I do what I do.

It's hard to let go like that.

And the worst part of all of this is that I know the strategy of pain is effective, at least in the short term. It's most of what has gotten me this far. It's the only strategy that I *know* works. I don't know whether it's the universally best strategy, but it's certainly a local maxima for me.
@malcircuit I am right here with you on all of this, and I’m so sorry 

@malcircuit

The "I should be able to..." makes it seem like internalized ableism?

@Frances_Larina It probably is. I don't know how to get those ideas out of my head.

@malcircuit

I was raised with very strict and impossible NT-centric and fully abled expectations; I totally understand. Self worth gets wrapped up in trying to meet expectations that are not only not feasible, but are just plain wrong on any level.

@malcircuit I don't know either, but this speaks to me in a very uncomfortable, personal way.
@malcircuit I also think about this a lot. The pain we feel is *not normal*. It's something that neurotypical people are entirely unable to relate to.
We need additional accommodations and support to thrive. But sometimes we still suffer to 1) do things we want 2) show up for people we love 3) survive encounters with unaccomodating systems. If we have a goal, or if we have accepted a responsibility, we give to it what we have, because it's all we can do. We push through our abnormal pain.

@malcircuit

🩵 The way we see it. How NTs think about action, effort, performance, productivity, routines... is probably completely inapplicable to us.

And I'm sure it's wrong for NTs too, because there's a lot of ideology (and old philosophy) mixed up with those concepts.

We sometimes try to go back to the drawing board and rethink those ideas from scratch or deconstruct them.

@malcircuit That’s exactly my old discussion w/ my dad when i was a kid. Like i was constantly forgetting stuff. Like my things or stuff i should have done and so on. And then he was saying like you forgot again! And i’d say that the NEXT TIME i’ll rly try! And he’d say don’t try, just do it please! But i mean like i have to try to do it to do it, how can i di it w/out trying to do it? And well when i try, i may fail. But then, i was failing constantly and forgetting again and again and again…