Then:

"Grandma, why are you saving those bits of twine and pieces of used foil? You can just go to the store and buy new stuff."

"Grandson, I grew up during the Depression"

Now:
"Dad, why are you collecting all those DVDs and saving files to disk and all that? You can just go to the Internet and find that."

"Kids, I grew up during the Great Ensh*ttification..."

#informationhoarding

@ai6yr 100% agree. Unrelated: Did Yellowstone go boom yesterday?
@fuzzface Nope, apparently not. Though some 3 year old was mauled by a black bear out of the park in Red Lodge https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bear-attacks-girl-tent-montana-campground/
Bear attacks and injures 3-year-old girl in tent at Montana campground

A bear believed to have been involved was captured and euthanized, officials said.

CBS News
@ai6yr
Remember when “they” used to say that digital (online/cloud kept) media was so much more environmentally friendly than actual physical media?
@MsMerope @ai6yr it .. probably is, if you pirate and just have a local copy for yourself tbh.
@ai6yr lol GenXer here, I remember my grandmother washing plastic bags & hanging them to dry so she could reuse them!
@MayhamMonday @ai6yr your Grandma? mfer i do that now
@MisterWanko @ai6yr my aunts used to make fun of her for it.
@MisterWanko @MayhamMonday @ai6yr it meee tooo. damn kids these days never suffered thru breadbags in your snow boots, they just wear sneakers and wet sox all winter long!
@MayhamMonday @ai6yr
You can laugh at me too, i wash plastic bags, mostly out of spite because I hate buying new ones and supporting those pigfuckers

@MayhamMonday @ai6yr also a GenXer. My parents were born in '40 and '41, and they've kept traits of their parents in saving a lot of stuff, just in case.

I have tonnes of DVDs and BluRays, and I hoard actual paper books. I prefer these to digital, but I do admit to having lots of eBooks and streaming stuff because it's a lot less weight when going somewhere. I do have a portable BluRay player, though, and that's come in handy countless times.

Also, there's a nostalgic aspect to all this.

@ai6yr

Kids: Why do you have so many disks and thumb drives?

Dad: Someday, you will learn about backup strategy grasshopper.

@SpaceLifeForm @ai6yr

You see in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend. Those with backups and those who has not lost all their data yet.

#Backups #321Strategy

@mcepl @SpaceLifeForm @ai6yr unfortunately there's an overlap in the Venn diagram - those who make backups but haven't yet verified that they can recover them.
@SpaceLifeForm @ai6yr I’m not sure “Damn it all, if I just keep copying random versions of files to random media that I then lose around the house maybe I’ll be able to find something useful occasionally” counts as a “strategy”.
@ai6yr cheap microSD cards. beats DVDs, BD-Rs.
@ai6yr Wait until you learn about bit rot.
@fishsauce LOL not if you keep copying all that data between mediums as they become obsolete...
@ai6yr That’s a lot of work, and it’s not always lossless. Optical media lasts maybe 20 years, if you’re lucky.
@fishsauce LOL well, it's better than hoping you can find it on the Internet ;-)
@ai6yr @fishsauce finding it on the internet usually requires someone to have done the whole "copying all data between mediums" thing
@ai6yr
I always preferred hardcopy anyway. You can't screw 'round with that.
(And you can lend it.)
@ai6yr What scares me is how search is so broken. Guess I need to download the internet and search locally. 🤷‍♀️

@fiona @ai6yr Used to be able to search for anything and find it, someone always had a blog on what you were looking for, but those things can't be found and so much of the internet is disappearing while the rest appears to be unsearchable.

https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/internet-dead-links-webpages-online-content-b2549215.html

The internet is disappearing, study says

Almost 40% of webpages from 2013 no longer exist a decade on, research finds

The Independent

@fiona @ai6yr I have 3tb of stuff. This is my next problem

A stable and robust local search

@fiona @ai6yr

Well… back in the olden days, we all helped each other. No matter what someone posted asking for, some Usenet lurker would burst forth with the answer. Could be anything, 12-squirrel stew, specs for the Hubble, text of a new bill, somebody knew where it was.

It wasn't instant gratification like now, but often we made new friends!

@ai6yr I have 2 bricked external hard drive. Anything that doesn't live in a disorganized manner on GDRive and/or printed out, no longer exists. I do have floppies from the late 90's and early 00's - and lots of printed files from 80's-mid 00's. I've lately started caching article content on Diigo but they don't allow for easy auditing/revising their metadata that I've been able to see.
@caffeneko Only 2?
@ai6yr ouch - I guess I'm lucky. So many lost MP3s tho...
@caffeneko I used to be in the disk drive testing business. It's a wonder any hard drives work at all, LOL. Keep many, many copies of everything everywhere.
@ai6yr @psefsu This is one reason I’ve insisted on having an actual home library with actual books since I was in high school in the 1980s.
@ai6yr I recently went into the boxes and dug up my DVD copy of Pump Up the Volume with Christian Slater. AFAIK, never on streaming, due to music licensing issues (it **is** a fantastic Soundtrack). A bit dated as it came out pre-internet, but still a great movie.

@pyperkub @ai6yr It's tragic that "Pump Up The Volume" by M|A|A|R|S wasn't included in the soundtrack.

"Everybody Knows" was so good, though!

Edit: And "Dad, I'm in Jail" lol

@va7tz @ai6yr Interestingly enough, Everybody Knows is actually a Concrete Blonde song, which they covered for the movie (I like both versions, but the cover works well in the movie, IMHO).
@pyperkub @ai6yr still sorry I sold my CD of the soundtrack. I do have the DVD at least

@pyperkub @ai6yr

That's the movie that got me into Leonard Cohen 🤗

@ai6yr to be fair you can have this conversation right now
@ai6yr this made me think of the Buddha cow story :)
@kellyromanych Buddha cow?
What Is Essential for Our Happiness in the New Year? — Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation

The new year - and decade - is the perfect time to begin anew with ourselves and let go of what is no longer serving us. Sometimes, we refer to this type of letting go as “releasing our cows,” inspired by a story told by the Buddha. In a 2006 Dharma talk, Thay shares beautifully about what it means

Thich Nhat Hanh Foundation
@kellyromanych Aha! I had not heard that one. It is true, though, that the more possessions one has, the more time you spend on maintaining or worrying about those possessions (or as mentioned, all those things that busy your life).
@ai6yr So true. Not just a depression, but war (my parents were both born during WWII). Got taught to keep stuff and donʼt buy if you can avoid it. My father fixed electrical and electronic equipment for a living, and one of our TVs was a Frankensteinʼs monster made up of about three TVs.
As to today, I never trusted “the cloud”. Kept my own media whenever I could.

@jackyan @ai6yr
Trust the cloud?

Tired Response: Of course. Trust but verify.

Wired response: of course. Trust but verify and duplicate.

@jackyan @ai6yr

Back when ftp replaced decwrl, I had a diaper-box full of archived shareware floppies and thought, what's the point, and then FTP closed down, but we had Usenet, which became too expensive, and then PTP, oh yay, everything is everywhere, but then came Spotify, Netflix, and our long-tail archives are now on ssd. This happens over and over 😅

@jackyan @ai6yr

OMG I forgot about punch cards! My mother used them for recipes, and complained about too many holes ☺️

@teledyn @ai6yr Iʼm still doing DVD-ROMs! Shifted what I could from the floppies. When a 1 Tbyte back-up HD failed in 2009, I decided as far as storage was concerned, I wouldnʼt move into the 2010s!
@jackyan @teledyn @ai6yr I bought myself an M-Disc burner so I don't have to worry about my optical media degrading for a few decades.
@jbowtie I may need to do this. I keep these discs for a long time. @teledyn @ai6yr

@jbowtie @jackyan @ai6yr

Is Blu-ray not optical? Or just a longer shelf life?

@teledyn M-DISC are archival quality, available in both DVD and Blu-ray formats. They're rated for 100+ years which is good enough for my purposes. (Marketing claims 1000 years if stored properly)

They cost about 3x normal discs and your burner has to support the higher power mode necessary to actually write to them but they can be read back by any standard player.

@jackyan @ai6yr

@jbowtie @teledyn @jackyan I think the actual issue you have is the ability to READ DVD or Blu-ray after time, you need DVD and Blu-ray capable hardware which is still running. That's probably a larger challenge than the media itself.