Federico Viticci 
Is there any company more out of touch with creatives right now than Apple?
It feels incredibly weird to say this, but it sadly is true. Asking for 30% from Patreon subscriptions – in this climate – is garbage.
Read the room.
the sad irony here is that Applebot-Extended has likely already crawled without upfront permission the public previews of those Patreon posts to train AI 🙃🙃🙃
Khaos Tian@viticci Phil gotta figure out a way to keep service growth now that $20B from Google is going away 🙃
Arcticulate
Happy Striker
xenolon@viticci Good ol' capitalism baybeeeee. They have a fiduciary duty to squeeze every nickel out of every source. Regardless if it pisses people off or tarnishes their reputation.
Number must go up.
Roman Lefebvre@viticci Sadly, Apple’s App Store branch is out of touch with everyone, not just creatives.
It seems to be the case of “the tax is 30%”. Period. They’ll stop at nothing to collect it. No ifs, no buts. In the current climate, it’s as if they’re trying to make a point. And they couldn’t make it any more clear. 😕
Myke Hurley@viticci the room they read has a poster that says ‘money’ on the wall
Jack Wellborn
Richard Smith
Han
Jeffy 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈🇺🇦 ❤️🇱🇺@viticci is this something different to how they've handled subscriptions? YouTube charges $18.99 thru the AS, but $13.99 directly.
Mark M. Evans@godofbiscuits @viticci no, I think it’s the same thing. I think Patreon is just trying to get out of managing subscriptions and payments and then blame the price hike Apple.
I’m not saying the 30% flat cut is fair, just that it’s been their policy forever and Patreon could avoid it by managing the subscriptions/payments themselves.
Basically, Patreon is trying to maximize Patreon‘s profits while blaming Apple, who is trying to maximize Apple‘s profits, and the creators lose due to the greed of two corporations .
I wasn't looking to compare Patreon to Google, I just didn't know if there was a technological or business distinction I was missing.
That said, your description sounds a bit too simplistic; I pay for YT Premium and YT is also full of creators, and that set overlaps significantly with Patreon’s creators, and i don't feel like YT Google's behavior/pricing for Premium considered the creators for a nanosecond.
Aaron 
@viticci Total garbage to demand 30% from creatives trying to earn anything from their art in order to add more billions to its balance sheet. Shameful.
BoneHouseWasps🔶🇬🇧🇪🇺@viticci Maybe Adobe? But that's a given. 😆
Strange Culprits HAS MOVED@viticci @Npars01
We say fuck it, Patreon should just pull their iOS app then.
Ya know, the last time Apple got too big for its britches, the Board fired Steve Jobs, and the company lost its identity. We still remember the flaming pile of crap that was OS 8.
If this is how Apple has decided to conduct itself, unless the company changes course, management is writing the company's obituary
Marc Scheffel@viticci 2 points: Apple has recently lost decisions for having a two tiered approach so maybe be mad at Goverments, too? Also, just use the freaking website. You can even create an icon for it and store your password in Keychain.
Bonus comment. Based on company size and max yearly income, Patreon produces revenue of 1.6 million per employee.
Send a bonus to the artists.
@viticci I’d hate to be an apple apologist here, but I think what’s going on is Patreon doesn’t want to manage subscriptions. Yes, Apple may have been upset at them if they were bypassing Apple payment processing in app. That’s the agreement everyone signs with the App Store, if you collect money in the app, Apple gets 30%. I’m not saying that’s good, just the way it’s always been.
The way everyone avoids this is by handling subscriptions on a website, not through the app. it sounds like Patreon wants to handle subscriptions through the app and then blame Apple for charging money to be their credit card processor/subscription manager.
Again, I think Apple is incredibly greedy and that a flat 30% cut is ridiculous. But it’s been that way from almost day one and I think Patreon is just looking for the cheapest way for Patreon (rather than cheapest for the content creators) to manage subscriptions.
unexpectedteapot@viticci I'm pretty sure they're more educated and have studied more about the kinds of decisions like this one than most people doing the daily "how dare the for-profit tech company squeeze more value out of monopolised service" rants.
They're keeping their word to their shareholders, this decision is going to result in more profits for Apple.
Choosing to buy their products is choosing to be beholden to their shareholders. Choosing not to buy other products is giving them more market and capital share than to care about the consequences of an unpopular decision. Until regulations give back control and ownership of products to consumers, if that ever happens.
Matt Birchler@viticci Yeah this is nuts. The fact that it’s 30% is doubly nuts.
Gabriel Pettier@viticci I guess that hydraulic press ad was telling us something.
sandywb14@viticci This is so wrong.
salguod, man 🍂🍁 lazysupperMan, I had missed that apple Crush ad when it came out. And a creative came up with that. 🤦🏼♂️
"turning to Android is no better for a whole slew of reasons which sometimes even overlap" ... in which ways? (I loathe Google, but android phones allow 3rd-party markets like Aptoide,etc.)
eighthourlunch@viticci Adobe comes to mind.
Tim Richards@viticci @davidtoddmccarty Greedy f*cks
Hudson@viticci Apple has to make up for those billions in Google default search dollars somehow. Literally looking under couch cousins. 🪙👀