@randahl
Voted ‘yes’, but ‘safe’ is a relative term. I would prefer them in Europe but Europe sucks at this kind of big tech companies. I do prefer it to China by a lot.

The thing with America, is that you are open to all that America is open to exploit, but you are protected from everything else in the world. We need America to be a stronger government.

@randahl ultimately safe software doesn’t exist anywhere in the world. I respect the efforts of those who fight for privacy, but personally I just have accepted that there is no privacy in modern world.

Would, in my opinion, re-election of Trump decrease the safety and/or privacy level for US companies?

Of course no, why in the world would it.

Besides, Trump already was a president. I don’t remember any safety decline in that period.

@randahl I moved mostly to Murena and Proton. I'll delete old dropbox this week.

Not sure what to do with iCloud  May be get one of pine tablets?

@randahl That's the wrong question. Trump is a huge problem. But my data is per se not secure with US-companies.

There is no real difference for the data if they are in the US or in China: both states give themselves the right to look into your data and both states don't care to tell it to you.

Snowden showed us years ago into which length the US-authorities go to break into everyones data.

And don't tell me it's okay because the US is a democracy. It's a democracy in decline.

@randahl

Yep, I agree.

The US has never been safe, you need a third option.

@randahl I do not consider data stored there safe, no matter who is the president. USA seem to be already clear about the policy: corporation can do whatever with our data and additionally the government agencies are to be granted extra access, especially for data of foreign users.

The data I still store there is either not important/sensitive or encrypted by me first (I would not trust encryption provided by those companies to fully protect my data).

I trust EU organizations just a bit more.

@randahl

No data is secure today and it won't be secure after the election regardless in who wins. Not unless you have the data in your own paws and there is no access from outside. And even then it's dependant on the drive working.

@randahl Define safe.

Safe from access by government agencies?
Safe from foreign influence (relative to the US)?
Safe from access by commercial or private third party (hack, bribery, leak)?
Safe from technical failure?
Safe from administrative disruption (e.g. company shuts down the service, changes prices to unacceptable, refuses service to you for some reason)?

I'd say it isn't very safe right now the most of this. Big companies are relatively safe when it comes to technical failure and private third-party access and even that isn't guaranteed.

E.g. Google still considers requests of Russian government and sometimes acts accordingly and certainly they will consider requests of EU governments not to mention their own. Google and other closed down or changed policy of dozens of their services. They had data lost due to technical failure and did not recover some of it.

I'd say Trump won't add much risk factor to all that :)

@randahl

What worries me even more than my own data, is the scientific data hosted by institutions such as the NIH (NCBI), without which most of the biomedical research in the rest of the world will screech to a grinding halt.

I don't feel it's safe under anyone haha. No US government leader has ever fought back against the intelligence apparatus of their own state.

They just don't care about privacy

@randahl

Neither options.

It's not safe because companies I have no power over decide what happens with my data and US presidents don't care about non-US citizens. Has nothing to do with Trump or Biden.

@randahl

There is no "safe" if Trump is re-elected.

@randahl

I don't consider it safe now, why would I consider it safe when a fascist takes over?