Thinking about "The Price is Wrong" and the profitability gap between renewables and fossil fuels, I'm reminded of Daniel Yergin's book "The Prize" and how historically, the oil industry has only been profitable when a cartel is in power.

First it was Standard Oil, then the Texas Railroad Commission, and for my entire life: OPEC. But there *is* no renewables cartel so it's race to the bottom. Which is how capitalism is *supposed* to work.

https://www.volts.wtf/p/are-markets-the-right-tool-for-decarbonizing

Are markets the right tool for decarbonizing electricity?

In his book The Price Is Wrong, Brett Christophers argues that, contrary to recent economic triumphalism among renewables advocates, wind and solar are not profitable enough to attract the private capital necessary to scale as fast as they need to scale. He and I dig deep (extremely deep) into the details.

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Just started reading #ThePriceIsWrong and it strikes me that the core argument that the desire for renewable energy to be cheap through competition is fundamentally in tension with the need to attract investment by offering a profit margin rhymes with this classic post by @danielkayhertz on why housing can't be both affordable and a good investment.

#books #EnergyTransition #ClimateChange #Economics #Housing

Also, is it reasonable to try and scale one industry through policies that encourage or even enhance competitive pressures, driving prices down, while allowing monopolies to consolidate and extract rents in other industries? Seems like smart money would make have an obvious choice.

The Energy Gang also reviewed The Price Is Wrong, alongside @akshatrathi's Climate Capitalism a while back (though Climate Capitalism didn't get much airtime unfortunately!)

https://www.woodmac.com/podcasts/the-energy-gang/can-capitalism-save-the-planet/

Can capitalism save the planet? | Wood Mackenzie

Can capitalism save the planet? Join Ed Crooks, Melissa Lott and Joseph Majkut as they debate the role of private investment in tackling climate change. Discover contrasting perspectives in

And they just had Christophers on this week to talk about the book. It seems to be somewhat disconcerting to the capitalists, in a way that makes them unwilling to just dismiss it out of hand, which is great.

https://www.woodmac.com/podcasts/the-energy-gang/are-low-profits-to-blame-for-energy-transition-lagging/

Are low profits to blame for the energy transition lagging? | Wood Mackenzie

Author Brett Christophers joins host Ed Crooks and guests Melissa Lott and Joseph Majkut for a deep dive into the theories presented in 'The Price Is Wrong'. Is low profitability hindering the energy transition?

About a third of the way through the book, another (for now latent?) argument seems to be that fossil fuels are both artificially cheap and artificially profitable, because we don't price GHG emissions, and we allow many producers to capture huge land rents -- they're simply liquidating natural capital.
So if we want renewables to be able to compete we can either remove these subsides for fossil fuels by capturing the land value through high severance taxes, and pricing the emissions, or we can provide even more substantial subsidies to renewables to make them competitive in terms of both price and profit margin.
Or alternatively, we can raise a pool of patient (public) capital that's happy to take the 5-8% return from renewable energy development because it values the positive externalities.

In markets where zero marginal cost resources like solar sometimes satisfy all demand and they have merit-order dispatch, why don't they try to restrict output so that just a *little* bit of gas comes online, and all the solar generators make a bunch of money? Especially if they also have storage and can still sell the excess generation later.

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A new working paper related to these issues from @nworbmot

Can we get reasonable prices in merit-order wholesale markets when there's lots of zero-marginal-cost generation? With storage & some demand elasticity, it seems like the answer is yes.

https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.21409

Price formation without fuel costs: the interaction of elastic demand with storage bidding

Studies looking at electricity market designs for very high shares of wind and solar often conclude that the energy-only market will break down. Without fuel costs, it is said that there is nothing to set prices. Symptoms of breakdown include long phases of zero prices, scarcity prices too high to be politically acceptable, prices that collapse under small perturbations of capacities from the long-term equilibrium, cost recovery that is impossible due to low market values, high variability of revenue between different weather years, and difficulty operating long-term storage with limited foresight. We argue that all these problems are an artefact of modeling with perfectly inelastic demand. If short-term elasticity to reflect today's flexible demand (-5%) is implemented in the model, these problems are significantly reduced. The combined interaction of demand willingness to pay and storage opportunity costs is enough to produce stable pricing. This behavior is illustrated by a model with wind, solar, batteries, and hydrogen-based storage, where a piecewise linear demand curve removes high price peaks and reduces the fraction of zero-price hours from 90% to around 30%, and entails more price stability for perturbations of capacity and different weather years. Furthermore, we show that with elastic demand, the long-term model exactly reproduces the prices of the short-term model with the same capacities. We then use insights from the long-term model to derive simple bidding strategies for storage so that we can also run the short-term model with limited operational foresight. We demonstrate this short-term operation in a model trained on 35 years of weather data and tested on another 35 years of unseen data. We conclude that the energy-only market can still play a key role in coordinating dispatch and investment in the future.

arXiv.org

@ZaneSelvans because that's cartel behaviour. It works for fossil fuels because there are few enough suppliers to make an effective cartel (eg OPEC).

However, there are many more renewables suppliers, and if existing solar plants did this, more would be built that didn't participate in the cartel behaviour. Because there are few barriers to entry in renewables. This is both a beauty and a thing that makes it hard to make money about them.

@solar_chase It seems like this tension shows up in other places too. Like whenever we want something to be affordable, but we also want it to be a good investment. Right now I'm thinking of housing in the US.

@ZaneSelvans yeah, the big difference seems to be that renewables are still being built.

For my money a lot of the tension in government policymaking goes away if you just say "from a system perspective, it makes sense to offer certain renewables long term power contracts, eg CfDs, at low prices. This is a hedge for the power buyer against future high gas prices, and allows renewables to attract risk-averse investors with low cost of capital."

@solar_chase Listening to Dave Roberts' podcast, it seems like there are a lot of decarbonization businesses starting to be built around the idea of episodically available cheap-or-free renewable electricity and I've wondered how many of them can actually get built out, before that electricity isn't "free" anymore. I wonder if they could form an effective demand management cartel, to carefully avoid gas turning on and spiking costs.
@solar_chase Or separately, would these businesses still be viable if they needed to pay the long-term fixed PPA prices required to make the renewables bankable, while still absorbing their intermittency?

@ZaneSelvans there’s another problem too. In economies addicted to growth, growth in renewables is going to be additive to total energy consumption (at least until the price of oil and gas extraction becomes unaffordable and that only comes at way too high an existential cost).

So we *have* to create mechanisms where fossil fuel production is retired so renewables can replace. But markets don’t know how to do that and governments are captured

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There's a big difference between cheap solar and batteries versus cheap oil and methane in that individuals can more easily install solar and batteries than dig their own wells into productive reservoirs of fossil fuels though too.