Andrea Junker 
Have you ever wondered why Germans didn’t do anything about Hitler? Well, the rest of the world is wondering exactly that about Americans and Trump.
Bruce Mirken@Strandjunker I read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" last year and it scared the daylights out of me. History doesn't quite repeat, but it sure as hell rhymes, and we are now in 1932.
LevkaBut wait. There's more.
See:
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https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/110626311734507156
https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/110626316034672849
https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/111007834392490556
https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/110626434051362662
https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/110626431276133300
https://kolektiva.social/@LevZadov/110626350878832504
Etc.
Levka (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben, by Joseph Borkin https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/34800.The_Crime_and_Punishment_of_I_G_Farben
Reiner Jung 🇬🇱 🇺🇦 🇪🇺@BruceMirken @Strandjunker yep there similarities.
- Making the parliament a laughing stock - check
- Dismantling separation of power (Germany = enabling act to circumvent parliament and any checks, USA = making anything legal that supports Trump)
- However, the US has a much more diverse society. This could help to fight fascism the next four years.
Unfortunately, we have similar challenges in Europe. We live in "interesting" times.
FallsMom 🌻Re-watch Cabaret
Or at least this clip. . . I can imagine this happening any time now in my Midwest
Tomorrow belongs to me - Cabaret
JB@BruceMirken @Strandjunker Most of us read about Hitler's time to learn how to stop it from happening again. The GOP studied it for tips on how to do dictatorship better. #Voteblue
Sisukas Bill 🇫🇮 #Resist@Strandjunker There are too many parallels.
Bernd Herd@sisu42 @Strandjunker The major difference to 193x in Germany are those many demonstrations against facism with lots of participants.
Speed demon 🇪🇺 🇳🇴🇺🇦🇵🇸@herdsoft
I highly recommend the series "Babylon Berlin" . Instructive episode on how to gun down socialists in the streets and get away with it .
@sisu42 @Strandjunker
I highly recommend the series "Babylon Berlin" . Instructive episode on how to gun down socialists in the streets and get away with it .
@sisu42 @Strandjunker
Robert Taylor@Strandjunker ‘Cuz almost half of Americans are fascists
Kevin Leecaster@Strandjunker
I think that a European country that suffered from the Third Reich should pronounce the Republican Party to be a terrorist organization. That would help wake up more Americans.
I think that a European country that suffered from the Third Reich should pronounce the Republican Party to be a terrorist organization. That would help wake up more Americans.
@GreenFire @Strandjunker would be difficult. France: Is going to elect fascist into their parliament. Next president could be Le Pen.
The Netherlands: Just voted for an extreme right wing government.
Austria, Italy: voted for fascist parties. The latte has a fascist government.
UK: May turn away from the trend.
Norway, Denmark, Sweden: all have right wing parties in the government.
Poland: Is super dependent on the US.
Czech: have a large extreme right party
Hungary: Orban
...
The Netherlands: Just voted for an extreme right wing government.
Austria, Italy: voted for fascist parties. The latte has a fascist government.
UK: May turn away from the trend.
Norway, Denmark, Sweden: all have right wing parties in the government.
Poland: Is super dependent on the US.
Czech: have a large extreme right party
Hungary: Orban
...
@prefec2 @Strandjunker
Yeah good point, but let's not assume that France and Germany are going to choose to drift further to the right just yet, but I was being facetious anyways since no country should choose to get involved in other countries' domestic politics overtly and covert operations should also be frowned upon.
Yeah good point, but let's not assume that France and Germany are going to choose to drift further to the right just yet, but I was being facetious anyways since no country should choose to get involved in other countries' domestic politics overtly and covert operations should also be frowned upon.
@GreenFire @Strandjunker True. Unfortunately, we live in "interesting" times. To be honest, it scares the hell out of me. France will have a new more right parliament in a couple of weeks and might have a fascist president next year. Hopefully not, but it looks bleak. Germany - my own country - will have a populist conservative party in government next year in autumn. The question is whether they form a coalition with the AfD (fascists) or one or two democratic parties. 😬😬😬
@prefec2 @Strandjunker
Hopefully the enough of the voters on right side of left/right divide in both the French election this weekend as well as the English voting on our #IndependenceDay 🤣 will be so scared of the far-left potentially taking power that the Overton windows might even shift left some finally in what seems like a long time.
I don't know. I always assume that I don't know how an election is going to turn out until the ballots are counted and certified.
@prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker not adding alt text as I have to leave but maybe you will enjoy this. I try avoiding politics but Perscheid is brilliant and since you brought up AfD why not?
fmc01@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker yeah. He addressed a lot of issues in the world. Sometimes they could be, say, sexist or something else but he did it in a way to draw attention to the problem. He died way too young at 55 on 31 July 2021. A true legend was lost that day! Glad you appreciated this one.
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker I have many of his cartoons. I am not fluent in German but I know some and I have a great friend who is German. He’s the one who introduced me to Perscheid.
Many are available on various websites. On his own website there’s a catalogue of them and there’s a similar one on GitHub (I think it was).
Best wishes and stay safe!
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker he made quite a few anti Nazi cartoons too. Some of them are hilarious. Well this AfD one is but there are many others that are much funnier: though of course funny is in the ear of the beholder.
If you react to this and you would like me to share some I can later on.
Cheers and stay safe!
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker here’s one he did. Again not adding alt text in this case. Too tired right now. Anyway:
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker a totally unrelated one that I should not laugh at but I do. It would seem sexist but he equally did things like this against men too, to point out the folly. Added alt text here but must leave now. Cheers!
@xexyl @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker Thank you - we have our own crazy comic genius in Australia - Michael Leunig - I att h 2 of his cartoons
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker an opposite cartoon by the late Martin Perscheid, targeting stereotypes against men instead of women. See alt text for translation (for those who don’t know it).
In the end he really was a master at this. Not all his cartoons were satire but many were. These are more OT I guess or would be if it wasn’t for the fact that women are so utterly oppressed 😡
@xexyl
this is not denigrating women, but lampooning the choices girls are given, I'd say.
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker
this is not denigrating women, but lampooning the choices girls are given, I'd say.
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker
@hakona @frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker well it was satire so I don’t know. That’s how he addressed a lot of problems. Sadly he died way too young. He was only 55. Anyway it’s certainly up to interpretation and some people will find it funny and others won’t. Sometimes you have to understand someone and what they’re getting at before you can find it amusing but if it’s too personal it might not be possible.
@hakona @frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker that is just how this world works of course. But intent is also something that matters. It doesn’t necessarily mean that someone will feel better (though some can) but it does matter in some ways. Well it can: there are some things that this doesn’t apply and obviously some things are meant to be hurtful. Even words. They say words can’t hurt you but words lead to actions.
@hakona @frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker .. plus words certainly can affect people even besides that. People who say such rubbish often are the ones saying hurtful things and they don’t really have a right to be telling people not to take seriously. But that doesn’t matter to them.
@xexyl @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker Thank You - those who have no sense of humour are dangerous people
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker they certainly can be!
But I would argue that the most dangerous people are those who BLINDLY follow orders. And indoctrination can be a big part of it.
The SS motto: Meine Ehre heißt Treue ‘my honour is loyalty’. Indeed some felt so strongly about this that they could not not follow what they were told to do. You know Befehl ist Befehl ‘an order is an order’. 0/n
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker certainly some went beyond just orders but not all and we should ask the question of what would happen if they weren’t indoctrinated. An interesting fact: the Allies didn’t accept that reason (despite the fact that they also had to follow orders) but when a certain Silberbauer was outed Otto Frank said exactly that and said he had treated his family kindly. 1/n
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker in The Nazi Doctors there’s a dialogue where a survivor of Auschwitz asks the author if the doctors he interviewed were beasts or humans and he was not surprised when told they were human beings (there was more obviously). The survivor said: but it is DEMONIC they were NOT demonic’. 2/n
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker one of the Sonderkommandos of Sobibor said: 'People asked me "What did you learn?" and I think I'm only sure of one thing - nobody knows themselves. The nice person on the street, you ask him "Where is North Street?" and he goes with you half a block and shows you, and is nice and kind. That same person in a different situation could be the worst sadist. Nobody knows themselves. 3/n
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker … All of us could be good people or bad people in these [different] situations. Sometimes when somebody is really nice to me I find myself thinking, "How will he be in Sobibór"? '
And this is very true. I could go on about this but it gets to the point that is hard for people to stomach so I won’t. The point is that humans can do horrible things but the fact we’re human is what makes it bad. 4/n
@frankcat @prefec2 @GreenFire @Strandjunker blind loyalty can cause all sorts of problems. We see that throughout history. And we can’t always blame indoctrination. It would be convenient if we could but unfortunately it is not always the case. Though the Nazis were certainly masterful at that. But they are just ONE example. They were defeated militarily but were they REALLY defeated? Was the ideology defeated? I don’t think so sadly.
A Hotdog@Strandjunker Corrolary: I’m gaining empathy for (some of) the Germans. I’m doing everything I can to prevent the disaster, and it’s just a fart in the wind.
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MostlyTato@Strandjunker
The parallels are pretty clear. It's astonishing that it's being allowed, permitted, encouraged to happen again.
The parallels are pretty clear. It's astonishing that it's being allowed, permitted, encouraged to happen again.
Shane Celis@MostlyTato @Strandjunker NYT is salivating at the bit just hoping the water boils slowly enough to not to arouse any resistance.
JamesLundblad
Lena@Strandjunker damn good question
Seb 🇺🇦@Strandjunker
FRANCE : Hold my beer.
FRANCE : Hold my beer.
Auscandoc@docteurslump @Strandjunker Tiens ma bière s’il vous plaît
Tom Streeter@Strandjunker Collectively we’re not too bright.
@Strandjunker let me hasten to add I don’t disagree with your viewpoint. It’s just that I live in Kentucky and we’re not exactly going to win any awards for good governance.
Lord Tom Klopf of CZ 
@Strandjunker on the other hand I wish we could also talk about this problem as something new, rather than making so many analogies to Nazis. ‘Trumpism’ is something unique, a product of the American system and culture. Nazis came out of a far more desperate social situation than America is in now. Nazi comparisons also will get disregarded as hyperbole (though that is less and less the case as the election approaches). ‘Populism’ and ‘nationalism’ can be evil on their own.
Oliver SchafeldAfaik 1930s ultranationalist Germans wanted revanche for WW1 (read Sebastian Haffner) and get rid of the shackles of the Versailles treaty, especially after two devastating economic crises.
Can anyone please point me at a blog or article explaining why a substantial part of the people of the allegedly richest, strategically safest, most powerful nation in the world chose to go bonkers like this?
Grumble@oliver_schafeld Only a few are rich. The rest are riddled with insecurity, some real, some imaginary. A lot of people are shit-scared and willing believe any huckster who loudly asserts blame. Been this way for generations.
C0ppertop@Strandjunker I wonder about that every single day.
Once he’s elected this country will no longer be free.
We could really use the Jackel about now.
Once he’s elected this country will no longer be free.
We could really use the Jackel about now.
Nicole ParsonsGermany didn't do anything about the rise of Hitler because elites defected to Hitler's side because they hated the idea of democracy.
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250313164/hitlersamericanfriends
https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691169521/revolution-and-dictatorship
https://www.harpercollins.com/products/hitlers-girl-lauren-young
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250276551/hitlersaristocrats
https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/prequel-rachel-maddow/1143843502
The same phenomenon is occurring again.
Elites are funding an authoritarian to evade taxation, thwart their fading status, to keep fossil fuel fascism, retain control & wealth, further a program of ...
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....blameshifting bigotry as distraction, end separation of church & state, public corruption, & to set the stage for a profitable world war.
No matter the cost to others or the risks to planetary survival.
As in the prelude to WW2, it's not the rich who pay for the consequences of their funded anti-democracy movement.
It's everyone else and the environment that pays. Elite defection has real world penalties.
https://www.ft.com/content/73746d40-ea22-40d3-a5aa-3ec6fc897387
Vladimir HristovI don't.
You did choose J. Biden.
DanDan420@Strandjunker What I keep wondering is why the Democrats don't do anything to stop Trump. All they do is pass the buck to the public with gO vOtE, as if we don't know that Trump has no intention to concede if he loses.
Normal Guy@Strandjunker You just got the Mastodon Award of the Day! 🏆
@Strandjunker Embarrassed to admit there are so many poorly educated(stupid) Americans.
excited for the mastodon rise@Strandjunker I'm up for a general strike, who's up for a general strike?
Goals: Roberts + every trump scotus judge steps down, every case where they've blown up precedent gets revisited.
Wandering Star@Strandjunker The Italians circa WWII are making us look bad here.
enoch_exe_inc@Strandjunker That is *exactly* what I’ve been wondering about for the past eight years.
And also Japan’s far-right Liberal Democratic Party. In Germany, Holocaust denial is a crime. In Japan, it’s government policy.