Hot take: if you can choose between an #ebike and a car, of course take the bike.

However if your choice is between a regular bike and an e-bike the former is much more environmentally friendly.

In short, biking become less and less environmentally friendly the more regular bikes get replaced with e-bikes and e-scooters.

#climatechange #environment #biking

@WhyNotZoidberg Hotter take: An ebike motor and battery is probably more efficient than the extra caloric burn from cycling an analog bike, given the typical Western diet.
@prestontumber not even close.

@prestontumber compared to normal bikes? Yes they are worse. I don't think anyone can argue that the combination of mining, electricity for charging (that might come from coal or oil plants, at that) isn't worse than a theoretical half a burger or whatever. That said unless your dietary needs are way off you actually don't eat more, you just lose some weight.

Also this video is made by an e-bike manufacturer.

@WhyNotZoidberg

I wonder if you actually watched the video, because - unless I'm mistaking this for a different analysis of ebikes I've watched - they mention the issues with mining and manufacturing. That said, these amounts are absolutely *miniscule*, especially the charging.

@prestontumber and again that video is made in cooperation with an e-bike manufacturer
@WhyNotZoidberg Made by, or in cooperation with?
@prestontumber cooperation with. Aka part of the production.
@WhyNotZoidberg Before you said "made by". Looking at the rest of the thread, it sounds like other people have tried to point out with more robust sources that your gut feeling on ebikes being *much* more inefficient than regular cycling is incorrect, either in totality or degree, so I won't waste time arguing over a YouTube video.

@prestontumber Idon't see a single comment supporting that assertion. I see a lot of comments pointing out that if you haven't got the option for regular bikes for some reason, e-bikes are a great alternative.

We can put this to rest, but the biggest problem not addresses is the longlivety: bikes last around 15 years, often longer with minimal care. That would require several battery replacements on an e-bike.

@WhyNotZoidberg Again, not consistent with my experience - I have had a lot more reliability from my cargo ebike than with my older commuter bicycle.

Multiple people have cited theses and studies in this thread. You've argued back, and I will concede it is possible my initial position of walking > transit > ebikes > bikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars and trucks is possibly wrong. It still seems far likelier to be walking > transit > bikes >> ebikes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cars and trucks.

@prestontumber and I don't buy that with the data I have , but maybe you just bought a crap bike? While with the price a cargo e pedac costs you better get a quality product...

To that point I might add my suspicion that one reason bike sales are down is not scooters etc but that bikes are bloody expensive these days even accounting for inflation. There is a reason the university town I work in is full of bikes 30+ year old: back then you got good quality cheap. They're still rolling.

@prestontumber (seriously just riding past some university housing as I type this and 8 of 10 bikes parked outside are models I recognize from being sold in stores when I was in my teens or twenties, so more than 30 years old).