Just basically gonna have to assume for the rest of our lives that any cloud/content hosting service offered for free is at best temporary and at worst some kind of trap
(Screenshot source is an email I received this morning.)

I think the one free service I trust not to someday fuck up on me is Neocities, and that only because it appears to be run by ideologues (the fact it is run with an explicit anti-growth policy, and that the service it offers is intentionally so limited, also helps)

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I hate that, in the "AI" era, this argument actually makes a lot of sense https://toot.cat/@jamey/112671927674516582
Jamey Sharp (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Given that they've been holding onto the full history but only letting you see the most recent messages for years, I actually think it's an improvement if they start deleting posts that they won't show you anyway. Doesn't make it any less of a trap, of course

Toot.Cat

I *also* hate how much sense this makes. https://feed.hella.cheap/@bob/statuses/01J158M7XFJ3ETD5GGXDV8BHXC

(Normally at this point I'd go down a rabbit hole of scrutinizing Slack's TOS/privacy policy with a magnifying glass trying to figure out whether anything legally binds Slack to Actually Delete everything that gets deleted from the service, but that is probably not the best possible use of my morning.)

Post by bob, @[email protected]

@[email protected] what makes you think "delete" means actually delete and not update posts set deleted=true

feed.hella.cheap
@mcc would be interesting to try to use the GDPR (or similar legislation compelling them to give you your data) against this.
@mcc I was in a group that ran up against usage limits on Slack and migrated to self-hosted Mattermost. Everyone hated it because it wasn't *exactly* the same as Slack.

@foolishowl @mcc I too gave Mattermost Team server (the non-Enterprise, free and Open Source version) a try for a couple of years. I had about 140 casual, light users, total.

Should anyone else like to test Mattermost Team server out, I wrote an installation guide (slightly dated, but effectively should still work) for installing it on a Raspberry Pi:

https://forums.raspberrypi.com/viewtopic.php?f=131&t=269505&p=1635472#p1635472

#raspberrypi #linux #mattermost #opensource #slack

@mcc what makes you think "delete" means actually delete and not update posts set deleted=true
@bob @mcc I think that's how Slack operated until now (i.e. you could see older content again once you started paying). So presumably now they'll actually start deleting
@lutoma @bob I think bob is proposing a scenario where Slack makes the content permanently unavailable to the user, but also copies it to a physical hard drive and puts it in a closet labeled "TO SELL TO OPENAI LATER"

@mcc @bob Oh yeah, I now see that the linked post already said basically the same thing as I did, sorry for the repetition.

But I don't really see the upside for Slack in that scenario since it would not save them any storage costs while removing a powerful sales motivator (And I have no doubts they're already training some AI nonsense on customer data and would sell data to OpenAI or similar in a heartbeat).

@lutoma @bob Perhaps data at rest is less expensive than data in an accessible form. (Note, I don't actually think this is happening, I suspect there are legal consequences for making a public representation that data will be "deleted" and then doing something other than deleting it.)
@mcc @lutoma storing text is as close to free as makes no difference, and marking user content as deleted instead of actually deleting it is very common practice among social media companies
@mcc @lutoma even if you want to delete stuff, on a technical level it's much easier to mark things as deleted and then maybe do a compaction later than it is to actually delete it. even if you're just using a sql database an update query that sets the deleted flag (even if that flag is indexed) is a lot cheaper than a delete query
@mcc @lutoma and if you have some kind of data lake that you use for ETL and analytics deleting stuff from there is very hard
@mcc @lutoma that's assuming you even know where all the copies of the data are, which if you have the kind of architecture that puts everything in a big message bus and lets services subscribe to it you do not
@mcc I'd like to report a bug. Missing a `<under_construction.gif>`...
@mcc these are extremely cool images, but what does the page title mean
@batterpunts the page title is a joke based on runhello.com being the name of my "real" website. the title is a fake advertisement advertising various unlikely items you will find at runhello.com
@mcc
Thanks for introducing me to neocities!
@mcc I like your art. Reminds me of those Game of Life math puzzle simulation things.