Current discourse is that it would have been wrong to throw a milkshake at Hitler, is it?

@mjg59 I gotta ask.

I'm Canadian; of #British politics I know only what I read. I'm happy to accept the fedi's assessment that this #Farage character is political scum of the lowest order.

#Progressives hate him; one threw a #milkshake on him, which is common assault. So he was assaulted because of his politics. And progressives are cheering it on.

Is #political #violence acceptable? If a #conservative had done this to a leader of the Greens or something, is that also #acceptable?

@cazabon

So he was assaulted because of his politics.

Non sequitur.

@barubary

Eh? Someone hated him for his #politics/views, and assaulted him. Yes, throwing a milkshake over someone is #assault - consult a lawyer/barrister if you disbelieve this.

You're arguing "it does not follow" that the assault was *because* of his political views? Utter #fantasy.

@cazabon Was it because of his politics, or his views, or his actions?

My point is: Why should someone be exempt from getting milkshaked just because they also happen to be a politician?

@barubary

How about "it's not okay to assault someone because you disagree with their views", whether they're a politician or not?

@cazabon I disagree with your framing. Why is a milkshake an "assault", but what Farage does is only a "view"?

@barubary

It's not "framing"; what she did to him absolutely, positively, 100% meets the legal definition of assault. Like I said, check with a lawyer/barrister if you don't believe this.

And unless Farage retaliated by dumping something on her or punching her in the face, and was attacked because of things he has said, then he was, by definition, attacked for his views.

"Speech is violence" is just as stupid and untrue as "violence is speech".

@cazabon This is getting increasingly unhinged.

It's not "framing"; what she did to him absolutely, positively, 100% meets the legal definition of assault. Like I said, check with a lawyer/barrister if you don't believe this.

How does that make it not framing? What do you think framing is? Using definitions wrong or something?

This is not a courtroom and I'm not a lawyer, so why are you using legal jargon? Especially since "assault" is so general and broad that it encompasses anything from me saying "I'm going to smack you" (without ever touching you) to me breaking every bone in your body with a crowbar. Sure, throwing a milkshake at someone is in there somewhere (probably), but as far as I'm concerned, there is a substantial difference between getting milkshaked and, say, getting stabbed. (I know which one I'd prefer!)

Yet you insist on discussing the situation in terms that don't allow for a meaningful distinction between verbal threats, minor inconveniences (like having to wipe off some milkshake), and serious physical harm. That's the framing. And as far as I can tell, the only purpose is to make the listener transfer some of their emotional response to the "physical harm" end of the spectrum ("someone was assaulted? how awful!") to the sillier side of things ("a milkshake? eh, whatever") by grouping them both under the same umbrella and then only using the umbrella term.

And unless Farage retaliated by dumping something on her or punching her in the face, and was attacked because of things he has said, then he was, by definition, attacked for his views.

I can't tell what you're trying to say here. Let's take Inigo Montoya (from The Princess Bride) as an example. Are you saying that, because Count Rugen did not retaliate (after being killed??) and was not attacked because of his words, Inigo Montoya therefore attacked Count Rugen for his views?

@barubary

You know what? Let's not.