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Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Welcome to today's thread - #CrossBorderRail South East Europe Day 06 04 Jun 2024 - Arrival of night train, Budapest - Pécs - Beli Manastir - Osijek - Zagreb

Crossing these borders:
Lanžhot 🇨🇿 - Brodské 🇸🇰
Štúrovo 🇸🇰 - Szob 🇭🇺
Beli Manastir 🇭🇷 - Magyarbóly 🇭🇺

These borders on the borders map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#8/48.971/18.358

Today's routes on the routes map:
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_935041#8/48.971/18.358

Finally South East Europe! 🎉

#CrossBorderRail All The Borders

All of Europe's rail borders - categorised by type, and whether I (Jon Worth) have been to the location. KEY Black - #000000: visited in 2022 during #CrossBorderRail Project Dark grey - #222222: visited in since the 2022 project Mid grey - #555555: tramways and narrow gauge lines, visited Light grey - #999999: not yet visited Very light grey - #BBBBBB: used for tramways and narrow gauge lines ICONS Track with cross - track is missing or out of use Train with cross, and track - track is useable but no passenger trains Train and track - passenger trains run Map developed as part of my #CrossBorderRail project http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/

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Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Two #CrossBorderRail borders done today already

Lanžhot 🇨🇿 - Brodské 🇸🇰
was at 3am, and I’ve been there before anyway

Štúrovo 🇸🇰 - Szob 🇭🇺
I’ve only been to before #CrossBorderRail so that is now added - border number 211. Pic is of the border bridge

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Hungary: country with the second best railway jingle!

Dhhh-duddleoo-duddelloo!

https://youtu.be/kLk_Gt3KIro?si=-OhM7KvhVueECP2Z

MÁV-START Signal

YouTube

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Here’s this morning’s intro video. Despite my slightly tired appearance I slept very solidly! https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/wXFL8muSo1wR5xhtJRk4ue

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 - 6/4/2024, 5:53:29 AM

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Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Quick ride across Budapest under threatening skies…

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 Bike 15 of 38
Budapest Nyugati - Budapest-Kelenföld

Distance: 7.4km
Est. duration: 0:45

This bike route, mapped on Komoot: https://www.komoot.com/de-de/tour/1522123426

#CrossBorderRail Budapest Nyugati - Kelenföld | Fahrradtour | Komoot

Jon Worth hat ein Outdoor-Abenteuer mit komoot geplant! Distanz: 7,38 km | Dauer: 00:28 Std

komoot

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

A MÁV classic V43 overtakes my train departing Budapest

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 Train 12 of 68
IC 812
10:12 Budapest-Kelenföld - Pécs 12:43
MÁV

Train type: MÁV V63 "Gigant" locomotive, 6 carriages
⚡️
🚲: ✅ (Hungarian railways are SUPER for bikes)
🦽: ✅ (needs ramp, it’s on board I think)
🛜: ✅ (in my carriage yes, but not all)
🍽️: ✅
🧳: 🙂
🧽: 🙂

It gets a top score, just about!

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

IC 812
10:12 Budapest-Kelenföld - Pécs 12:43

Distance: 222.2km
Average speed: 88km/h

4 stops:
Sárbogárd
Dombóvár
Szentlőrinc
Pécs

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-south-east-europe-v9-draft_1053482

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe v9 Draft

The routes for #CrossBorderRail South East Europe May-June 2024 - see http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/ HOW TO USE THIS MAP Lines on the map show train, bus and bike routes - each plotted as accurately as possible. PURPLE and ORANGE lines are train routes. These alternate - one day purples, one day oranges. A different shade indicates a different train. GREEN lines are bus routes. GREY lines are bike routes - more details about these can be found on Komoot here: https://www.komoot.de/user/1897747552710 The full timetable for these routes is here: https://nextcloud.techpolitics.eu/index.php/s/ZjdP5YGH6ZS6ZHK Details of all of Europe's rail border crossings can be found in this map: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_838780

uMap

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Link via @nordkommission - more legal cases in Germany against enduring non Schengen compliant border controls. Good! 💪 https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/grenzkontrollen-in-der-eu-aus-der-traum-von-der-reisefreiheit,UEeQeqj

Grenzkontrollen in der EU: Aus der Traum von der Reisefreiheit?

Acht EU-Staaten führen aktuell Grenzkontrollen durch. Darunter auch Deutschland. Obwohl diese eigentlich innerhalb des Schengenraums seit Jahrzehnten abgeschafft sind. Eine Doktorandin klagt nun dagegen.

BR24

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Hmmm

This train to Pécs isn’t great

Between Sárbogárd and Dombóvár it’s single track and quite slow and bumpy. The modern IC+ carriage has nice seats but lots of things rattle. I’d somehow sooner have a real branch line train than this quasi InterCity!

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 Train 13 of 68
R 7305
12:50 Pécs - Beli Manastir 13:53
MÁV

Train type: MÁV Bzmot railbuses (3 coupled)
⛽️
🚲: ❓(not officially but there’s space)
🦽: ⛔️
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (high narrow entrances, on board it’s ok)
🧽: 😐 (grimy)

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

R 7305
12:50 Pécs - Beli Manastir 13:53

Distance: 53.1km
Average speed: 51km/h

12 stops:
Pécs-Külváros
Pécsbánya-Rendező
Pécsudvard
Szőkéd
Áta
Kistótfalu
Vokány
Palkonya
Villánykövesd
Villány
Magyarbóly
Beli Manastir

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-south-east-europe-v9-draft_1053482#11/45.9227/18.4103
6211

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe v9 Draft

The routes for #CrossBorderRail South East Europe May-June 2024 - see http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/ HOW TO USE THIS MAP Lines on the map show train, bus and bike routes - each plotted as accurately as possible. PURPLE and ORANGE lines are train routes. These alternate - one day purples, one day oranges. A different shade indicates a different train. GREEN lines are bus routes. GREY lines are bike routes - more details about these can be found on Komoot here: https://www.komoot.de/user/1897747552710 The full timetable for these routes is here: https://nextcloud.techpolitics.eu/index.php/s/ZjdP5YGH6ZS6ZHK Details of all of Europe's rail border crossings can be found in this map: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_838780

uMap

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Bit of confusion though - seems this might go only to Magyarbóly and I need a bus across the border… we’ll see (I’ve worked out a way by bike if I need it!)

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Pécs-Külváros

Pretty sure no one got on or off here. Cool font though

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Pécsbánya-Rendező

A hive of activity. But trees obscure the building

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Train manager comes by. Typical Central European rail dude. I speak no Hungarian, he speaks no English, he scans my pass and all is cool 😎

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

More than 80km/h on a Bzmot? This is exciting. And bumpy.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Pécsudvard

More bus shelter than train station. A couple get on. The Bzmot’s engine scares a cat

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Szőkéd

Brutalist station has seen better days. A dude with funky sunglasses gets on

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Áta

A neat station building. A second track. But no people.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Kistótfalu

The tiny station was on the other side. So here’s what was on my side

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Vokány

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Palkonya

Neatly painted hut

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Villánykövesd

An even better painted hut

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Villány

This is where everyone was going. There’s even freight

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Magyarbóly

So yes the train did end here today. Then it’s a bus across the border… But it’s waiting.

#CrossBorderRail unexpected bus

Magyarbóly - Beli Manastir

This is border 211
Beli Manastir 🇭🇷 - Magyarbóly 🇭🇺

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Road borders around here are few. So the bus has to make a large detour - green line. Red is the train route.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

#Schengen works here 🙂 No stop and no police at the border

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 Train 14 of 68
6211
14:25 Beli Manastir - Osijek 14:56
HŽPP

Train type: Macosa 7121 DMU, 2 carriages
⛽️
🚲: ❓(no official space but you could make it work)
🦽: ❓(pretty sure there’s no ramp, although platform is ok)
🛜: ⛔️
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😐 (narrow doors, no space for large luggage)
🧽: 🙂

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

6211
14:25 Beli Manastir - Osijek 14:56

Distance: 27.3km
Average speed: 53km/h

4 stops:
Čeminac
Darda
Osijek Dravski Most
Osijek

This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-south-east-europe-v9-draft_1053482#11/45.6594/18.6541

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe v9 Draft

The routes for #CrossBorderRail South East Europe May-June 2024 - see http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/ HOW TO USE THIS MAP Lines on the map show train, bus and bike routes - each plotted as accurately as possible. PURPLE and ORANGE lines are train routes. These alternate - one day purples, one day oranges. A different shade indicates a different train. GREEN lines are bus routes. GREY lines are bike routes - more details about these can be found on Komoot here: https://www.komoot.de/user/1897747552710 The full timetable for these routes is here: https://nextcloud.techpolitics.eu/index.php/s/ZjdP5YGH6ZS6ZHK Details of all of Europe's rail border crossings can be found in this map: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_838780

uMap

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

These Macosa DMUs in Croatia might look ok outside, but they’re *grim*

The motors are insanely loud

Some have air con - a little less loud, but the air is very bad. This one doesn’t - air is better, but noise is deafening

Pro tip: the very front is the quietest there is. Still not great, but passable!

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Overall though the infra here is better than I’d expected - on the whole Pécs - Beli Manastir - Osijek route

Replace the Macosa DMU with something better and run some fewer stops InterRegio trains and this would be pretty good

The reason I had a bus was some engineering works - so totally legitimate

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Osijek

Croatia’s 4th city

And *nothing* happening at its station!

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Ah. My train is a… bus

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

So that was an effing mess

Typical HŽPP

I went towards what I thought was my train (the only train there was) and asked. It wasn’t my train because my train was replaced by a bus between Osijek and Đurđenovac

And then the HŽPP guy got annoyed by my Interrail pass in a bus so cramped my knees are crushed in

Another passenger told me the reason: “emergency track maintenance” 🤷‍♂️

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

And really the zeal with which this HŽPP guy is checking tickets on this bus is quite something.

Generally when DB runs a Schienenersatzverkehr bus they don’t check tickets, a sort of “we know this is inconvenient, we’ll leave you in peace”. But not here.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

A train! And it’ll run! 🤯

And I even have a half cold #BeerOnTrains

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Personen im Gleis! ‼️

Ah no. It’s Croatia. It’s normal…

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe 2024 Train 15 of 68
780
17:47 Đurđenovac - Zagreb Glavni kolodvor 22:10
HŽPP

Train type: Končar 7023 DMU, 3 carriages
⛽️
🚲: ✅
🦽: ✅ (if platform allows)
🛜: ✅
🍽️: ⛔️
🧳: 😍 (the most amazing overhead racks - a Birdy fits on there!)
🧽: 🙂

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

780
17:47 Đurđenovac - Zagreb Glavni kolodvor 22:10

Distance: roughly c. 210km
Average speed: c. 47km/h

18 stops:
Zdenci-Orahovica
Čačinci
Slatina
Cabuna
Suhopolje
Virovitica
Virovitica Grad
Špišić-Bukovica
Vukosavljevica
Pitomača
Kloštar
Đurđevac
Virje
Koprivnica
Križevci
Vrbovec
Dugo Selo
Zagreb Glavni Kol.

This train, mapped from Osijek the original route: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-south-east-europe-v9-draft_1053482#9/45.8259/17.3364

#CrossBorderRail South East Europe v9 Draft

The routes for #CrossBorderRail South East Europe May-June 2024 - see http://crossborderrail.trainsforeurope.eu/ HOW TO USE THIS MAP Lines on the map show train, bus and bike routes - each plotted as accurately as possible. PURPLE and ORANGE lines are train routes. These alternate - one day purples, one day oranges. A different shade indicates a different train. GREEN lines are bus routes. GREY lines are bike routes - more details about these can be found on Komoot here: https://www.komoot.de/user/1897747552710 The full timetable for these routes is here: https://nextcloud.techpolitics.eu/index.php/s/ZjdP5YGH6ZS6ZHK Details of all of Europe's rail border crossings can be found in this map: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-all-the-borders_838780

uMap

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Zdenci-Orahovica

One passenger alights. An elderly gentleman sits on a bench and observes. And on we go

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Čačinci

A more modern building. Next to a massive silo. This was once more important than today. 2 get on, 1 off

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

This Končar built DMU (built 2019) has two roof mounted diesel engines. But the part where all the seats are is below these engines. The middle car without engine is the PRM toilet and multi use area…

The noise level is ok, but I have been in better

https://www.railwaygazette.com/traction-and-rolling-stock/konar-kev-dmu-enters-service/42090.article

Končar KEV DMU enters service

CROATIA: Passenger operator HŽ PP's first Končar KEV Class 7023 diesel multiple-unit entered revenue service on February 15, operating on the route between Zagreb, Varaždin and Kotoriba. The three-car articulated DMU is 58·5 m long. It has 151 fixed and nine folding seats, two wheelchair spaces, space for two ...

Railway Gazette International

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

Slatina

A more substantial place. Half a dozen board, 1 gets off

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

😢

Cabuna

No one gets on or off. It’s a charming little station with an impeccably dressed HŽPP employee there

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

This train is painfully slow

And peculiar

Normally when a train is doing barely 50km/h, the reason is obvious - the track is very bad

But we’re on smooth-ish welded track here. 80km/h ought to be doable!

Poupou Jun 4, 2024

@jon this looks like from the 1955 Piroschka movie https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_denke_oft_an_Piroschka_(Film)?wprov=sfti1

Ich denke oft an Piroschka (Film) – Wikipedia

Ben Hutchings Jun 5, 2024

@jon These are worryingly narrow platforms

Jon Worth Jun 5, 2024

@bwh Old Austro Hungarian style!

Tor Lillqvist Jun 4, 2024

@jon I could be that gentleman in ten years.

Indra Kupferschmid 💙💛Jun 4, 2024

@tml @jon Let’s buy this station building and make it a bit prettier to sit there! Very quaint

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@kupfers @tml and meanwhile campaign for better trains 🙂

Albert Cardona Jun 4, 2024

@jon “orah” means walnut. I wonder what the forests look like around here.

samuele963 Jun 4, 2024

@jon Admittedly, I've been that person sometimes 😅 (in Slovenia - would absolutely never try it in Italy!)
Since getting to the mall behind Nova Gorica station "legally" requires a lengthy detour by foot. This will be fixed once the station upgrade works are finished, since they're planning to build a cycle underpass below the tracks

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@samuele963 oh I’ve been that person too 🙂

samuele963 Jun 4, 2024

@jon I've technically also done it in Italy once, but it was during a photoshoot after a heritage train ride (to Osoppo) so it doesn't really count!

This part of the line is only used by heritage trains (+ some freight) for now, though there are plans to reopen it to regular passenger traffic

Martha Jun 4, 2024

@jon
Wonderful result - finally

Tor Lillqvist Jun 4, 2024

@jon Based on a few samples, the same for Trenitalia and ČD. I wouldn’t bet on Renfe, though.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@tml Renfe would demand ID from you to get on the bus!

samuele963 Jun 4, 2024

@tml @jon Yeah, no ticket checks on the replacement buses I've taken (1x Trenitalia, 1x SŽ, 2-3x FUC)

The FUC line buses are timetabled (so they aren't really replacement buses), so if you wanted to dodge the fare you could totally rely on taking them rather than the train

🌺 Cat Pöñíçkøvā Jun 4, 2024

@jon once during a long term closure between pardubice and hradec, czech railways were checking tickets for the replacement bus before boarding the bus

with their stupid handhelds that don't use a camera but some infrared bullshit to scan the code

which doesn't work in direct sunlight really

outside of the bus

Julien W.Jun 4, 2024

@jon I was super surprised in Belfast, after the Springsteen concert, folks where going back from the venue to the Belfast city centre by train, so you can imagine how many folks... well there were many agents present to sell tickets and check tickets of every single person. At 23:30 in the night.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@julienw Northern Irish Rail is among the most obsessive about ticket checks I’ve ever seen. The Brits are quite extreme but Northern Ireland one level more

Julien W.Jun 4, 2024

@jon but you could buy it right before the check (both when we arrived before the concert or when we left after it), this worked not too bad in the end. And the agents were also controlling how many folks could enter the station at once.

In France in Stade de France, the doors are fully open, nobody checks tickets, but it's chaos. And if you get checked later in your journey you'd get a fine...

Tim Richards Jun 4, 2024

@jon To be fair, not much happens at any of Croatia's stations. ;)

BarryP Jun 4, 2024

@timrichards @jon The hzpp.hr website seemed incapable of producing a time for Zagreb - Split, just now.
Perhaps it’s a “not every day” service, where you have to be clairvoyant about what day to select.
And phone them if you want to know if a train is on time, seemingly.

Tim Richards Jun 4, 2024

@vandyke4ad @jon That's a disappointing train too, modern but far too small and uncomfortable for such a long ride.

David Michaels Jun 4, 2024

@jon Oooofffff and zero electrification either

layer8 Jun 4, 2024

Twobiscuits🚴‍♂️

@jon https://youtu.be/_CnTxby5t9E?si=2DvYEI2QkAsL9OCq

Your're at home baby. FM4

YouTube

Dining Car Jun 4, 2024

@jon
Nevertheless, a very nice modernised station building. In terms of city planning, an interesting city to explore. A lot of green areas, lot of bike lanes in the context of the whole country.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@diningcar I’m back in a week!

Dining Car Jun 4, 2024

@jon
No ramp. On my trip three days ago, a person with wheelchair boarded. Everybody helped lifting.

Martha Jun 4, 2024

@jon
These really do look very desolate.

jnbhlr Jun 4, 2024

@jon a sharrow at the very right part of the lane?

Pepijn Jun 4, 2024

Are you sure you're not in some post soviet cosplay environment today? All your photos have serious "Good Bye, Lenin!" vibes.

Martha Jun 4, 2024

@jon
Agricultural places. This is the Nebraska of Hungary it seems.

Martha Jun 4, 2024

@jon
... or Croatia. I'm not sure where this is.

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@Island_Martha I’m now in Croatia yes. Osijek - Koprivnica - Zagreb route

Martha Jun 4, 2024

@jon
Thank you. My knowledge of Eastern European place names is minus zero.
I'm really quite in awe of this accomplishment. Yesterday - YESTERDAY ONLY! - you were in Vilnius, Lithuania - tonight you are in Zagreb, Croatia. WOW!!!

Jon Worth Jun 4, 2024

@Island_Martha oh these are tiny places I’m writing about. Even most Croatians wouldn’t know where these were! But yes, the Warszawa - Budapest night train got me a long way!