Ruth — of systems & designHere are pages related to Scope of Complexity and Time Span of Discretion
with credits to @PavelASamsonov @johncutlefish @cyetain @yvonnezlam and Nivia Henry and others :)
They expand on the pages that Yvonne added here:
https://mastodon.social/@yvonnezlam/112475015951527765
https://mastodon.social/@yvonnezlam/112475015951527765
Where could those 4 pages possibly go next? Welll.... right now they go to:
Each of those “with credit to” quotes (ie what is quoted on the pages upthread), contains an important idea (or set thereof). And as with anything “systemsy,” interaction across ideas (and with context, in this case your thinking-understanding and its history), gives rise to new ideas.
And that brings us back to this page..
And pretty soon you have over 500 pages — and it’s still incomplete!!!
fanf42@RuthMalan oh yes please, these resources are awesome!
@fanf42 thank you!! I needed to hear that today *in particular*
Some of the ideas are here, but i do need to update it to latest version : https://ruthmalan.com/Leadership/20221031TechnicalLeadership.pdf
Another important cluster of ideas:
Continuing the cluster (exploring system integrity and conceptual integrity):
Which gets us to the ideas from this thread: https://mastodon.social/@RuthMalan/112462518849147839
And Mary Parker Follett. Again. :)
@RuthMalan thanks 🤩
At least I read Meadows and MMM 😅
You can't imagine how /impactful/ it is to have so many big ideas of a domain sum up in that one page format. It conveys enough nuances / details to get a raw idea of the Big Idea without getting lost in hundreds-page books (which will worth it most of the time, but perhaps not at that time or in that order).
So yes, really, thank you. I will perhaps even be able to use them as introduction points in my team
@fanf42 yes! Thank you! For seeing and saying that! I try to make pages that can act alone, and together in chunks, and add up to something overall that is… a shift…
@fanf42 drawing on the works referenced, so that it “expands” in directions folk have already been, or might be intrigued to go :)
@RuthMalan it's really, deeply appreciated 🫶
@RuthMalan I'm glas6that reading that iw let me think that some of my intuitions were ok when I did that talk https://speakerdeck.com/fanf42/devoxxfr-2021-systematic-error-management-in-application?slide=11
Now, having the shoulders of others who are spending their life studying these things to step up brings a lot of clarity
@RuthMalan skimming through the book, there's SO MANY CHEAT SHEET FOR SO MANY IDEAS I HAD TO WAVE EXPLANATION FOR.
I will made a card game of it and call it the deck of thousands answers and distribute it around
@fanf42 in just the last couple of workshops, we tried this… I’m not confident about it yet… but folk have created some really great cards. Speaking of user/ops/dev, one group created an observability card, with practices for those 3 areas :)
(thank you!)
@RuthMalan hiiii
OK, consider me a fan in the live concert of the decade
It's a bit like if someone has took the time to clearly pin, summerize, annotate, keep reference, and unveil interaction of all the disruptive texts I ever read and never had the diligence and rigor to keep trace of.
Seriously, that scholar work is impressive
@fanf42 thank you!! I mean, humbling! But also it’s been A. Week. On a “tear down the ego and reconstruct” front. So super appreciated!!
@fanf42 i call it a field work — in various senses. And yes. It takes an enormous amount of care to use other people’s words to say what I want to say.
“Whoever helps me see or explain what I am trying to explain, I will cite them.” — Hortense Spillers
‘The British sociologist Marilyn Strathern … taught me that “it matters what ideas we use to think other ideas (with).”’ — Donna Haraway
@RuthMalan :)
I'm discovering "evolve-building" in an other post, I will steal it, it's so just exactly that. What could it be in French? Le système que nous construi-voluons? Sounds ok. Will test it.
@RuthMalan of course I know nothing about you, and actually I think I discover you/your work literally a few days ago. Still, I can confidently say that your work is great. In the top 1% of whatever non vanity metric you want to use. I have few skills, but I'm often good to remark that kind of grandeur.
And you're providing it for the commons, and even if I didn't spot Ostrom anywhere yet l'm confident you know what I mean when I value whose who fight against the tragedy of the commons fable.
So.. . Yeah, these set of resources you built (and I'm pretty sure it took a lot of time and skills and will), the are a gift for us all.
So thank you very much for that gift. And even if there's only one of me who sees so much value in that gift, I'm happy to let you know it's a super gift, and I'm humbled to get it.
Cheers!
And you're providing it for the commons, and even if I didn't spot Ostrom anywhere yet l'm confident you know what I mean when I value whose who fight against the tragedy of the commons fable.
So.. . Yeah, these set of resources you built (and I'm pretty sure it took a lot of time and skills and will), the are a gift for us all.
So thank you very much for that gift. And even if there's only one of me who sees so much value in that gift, I'm happy to let you know it's a super gift, and I'm humbled to get it.
Cheers!
@RuthMalan it's nice, the sum up format allows me to draw links more easily. For ex I never saw Keidel triads and Wardley ones similarities, but I'm wondering what pairs explorer/villager/town planners are at ease with, and I think that town planner optimize for control (obviously) and autonomy (which is not obvious) - but collaboration is too much disruptive whdn you push for optimisation, while autonomie can be... Measured.
And so the switch from custom made to product must let go autonomy for more control, keeping collaboration high. Yes, likely you're switching from a pizza team like org to something, with more organs of few people, one of the organ being "strategy and resource alloc", with high collab needed... But less autonomy. The moment the old time members of the initial pizza team have a very hard time to let go their old autonomy for more structured collaboration
And so the switch from custom made to product must let go autonomy for more control, keeping collaboration high. Yes, likely you're switching from a pizza team like org to something, with more organs of few people, one of the organ being "strategy and resource alloc", with high collab needed... But less autonomy. The moment the old time members of the initial pizza team have a very hard time to let go their old autonomy for more structured collaboration
@fanf42 this is pretty much an exercise/discussion we did in the last Organizational Dynamics workshop (i used Kent Beck’s S curve/3X model instead of Wardley — but still, the discussion about forces/pressures/demands at different evolutionary points is useful; lovely connecting it to Keidel there)
The bigger lesson is about contexts or situations, and exploring and understanding that together, before looking at (what others have found to be) various “solution” approaches and how they meet the needs of *this situation*… (but then also thinking across the “solutions” and how we’re understanding the situation, because they inform each other, etc… Our thinking isn’t neatly linearizable… It interacts.)
And we do this for design patterns — design of the org and design of the system (code). Too
By “solution approaches” … i mean, looking at what we might do … (including do nothing (different)) to address the challenges we’ve explored (situation, forces, outcomes we seek,..)