Site Reliability Enby🏳️⚧️🏁🔦📈🐺👗😷All you need to know about the security of Signal vs Telegram is that the right wing uses Telegram and the left uses Signal.
Sharkie@SiteRelEnby Ok, but furries though
ash 
@sekka @SiteRelEnby at least some of them seem to be migrating, probably not as many as you'd wish. Telegram is, unfortunately, waaaay better at UX, and putting work into things like being good on multiple devices and desktop, which are things Signal either doesn't care about or actively chooses to disregard in favour of security if there's a trade-off to be had, and on some level I can kind of understand people not wanting to sacrifice all that for chats whose threat model is "this used to be a public IRC channel"
@darkphoenix @sekka I've been happy with Signal on the desktop...
The only problem with it is search, which is a problem on mobile too.
@darkphoenix @SiteRelEnby signal's focus on phone numbers is very contrary to my desired use. I still don't understand why we're putting phone numbers into messenger clients… Further, I mostly use Telegram for group chats, and security is a minimal- to low-importance requirement.
As someone else alluded to, furs basically used Telegram to replace IRC.
As someone else alluded to, furs basically used Telegram to replace IRC.
@sekka @SiteRelEnby yeah. I have this hypothesis that messengers kind of exist on a spectrum, where desktop/multi platform "instant messengers" with support for large groups, usernames instead of numbers as the primary identifier, and generally poor or lacking encryption (think Telegram or Discord) are one end, and the other is incredibly mobile centric "SMS replacements" with often good security but a huge focus on the phone as the main device, somewhat limited support for large social groups, and an often lacking desktop client that is always kinda tacked on as a secondary thing (think Signal, or WhatsApp, or a bunch of others).
Because it's 2024 and everything is mobile in some way, and phone numbers are a favoured means of filtering bots, these lines get blurred a bit, but still, you can usually tell which side a messenger false on, and I'd personally much prefer to have more of the first than the second (I really can't stand some of the limitations, particularly regarding multi-device and a general disregard for wanting to keep chat history in what is usually a mostly unimportant social thing I might want to scroll back in, not planning the overthrow of an oppressive government), but meh.
Because it's 2024 and everything is mobile in some way, and phone numbers are a favoured means of filtering bots, these lines get blurred a bit, but still, you can usually tell which side a messenger false on, and I'd personally much prefer to have more of the first than the second (I really can't stand some of the limitations, particularly regarding multi-device and a general disregard for wanting to keep chat history in what is usually a mostly unimportant social thing I might want to scroll back in, not planning the overthrow of an oppressive government), but meh.
Kevin Karhan 
@darkphoenix @SiteRelEnby @sekka personally I just consequently refused to use any #centralized #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider messengers, as there are already good, #decentralozed and #secure (incl. #SelfCustody of #Keys) solutions.
- Need 1:1 Chats? #XMPP+#OMEMO!
- Need public Group Chats? #IRC
- Need private Group Chats? #SelfHost #Zulip (you can even do that in a #VPN or as #OnionService!)
- Need 1:1 Videocalls? #WebCall is fine!
- Need Group Videocalls? #JitsiMeet has you covered!
- Need Group Voicechat? #Mumble just works!
- Need to exchange larger files privately? #OnionShare makes it as easy as uploading it to #oshi.at !
And yes, I have and still do use all these tools regularly!
- Espechally since it's basically illegal to get new & anonymous SIM Cards, and thus every Phone Number must bebconsidered #PII that one should not rely upon for privacy reasons...
Vormrodo@kkarhan Nearly all of the things you named are also possible with XMPP only :) Except for group calling and the exchange of larger files (which depends on the server and the online status of your contact). That's easer (and in some cases safer) than setting up IRC, Zulip and else parallely to it, isn't it?
@vormrodo that very much depends...
I just point out the tools that I'd recommend for said specific task, tho OFC most can be done with one or two...
That being said, there are reasons to chooe one over the other, and @zulip / #Zulip for example gas a shitton of improvements compared to #Discord like having actual control and [a search function that works as well as threading]( zulip.com/why-zulip/ )...
I'll gladly offer a case-by-case analysis in private...
That being said, #XMPP+#OMEMO is my go-to solution, so I don't disagree with you...
Vormrodo (@[email protected])
@[email protected] Nearly all of the things you named are also possible with XMPP only :) Except for group calling and the exchange of larger files (which depends on the server and the online status of your contact). That's easer (and in some cases safer) than setting up IRC, Zulip and else parallely to it, isn't it?