Scoop: Solar storm is causing farmers' tractor GPS systems to go haywire. Many have shut down planting altogether during a critical period. A Deere dealer said accuracy is "extremely compromised"

https://www.404media.co/solar-storm-knocks-out-tractor-gps-systems-during-peak-planting-season/

Solar Storm Knocks Out Farmers' Tractor GPS Systems During Peak Planting Season

The accuracy of some critical GPS navigation systems used in modern farming have been "extremely compromised," a John Deere dealership told customers Saturday.

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This is a reminder of how much modern tractors rely on satellite and internet connections. Many farmers can't or won't plant right now bc tractors have been highly automated to increase yield. Rows are planted so tightly together that humans can't navigate them w/o killing crops
One farmer called it a "shitshow." Another: "All the tractors are sitting at the ends of the field right now shut down because of the solar storm." Another said their systems that are normally centimeter-accurate were off by 3-6 feet and tractor kept "wandering off" and had to be constantly corrected.
This, from a John Deere dealer, is wild. They warn that affected tractors operated during this time will likely have made maps that are wrong, which will be wrong throughout the growing system, and which are wrong in an inconsistent way
@jasonkoebler this is all pretty horrible. Farmers have it hard enough as it is.
@jasonkoebler a) A deer dealer? No loss from my pov.
b) planted so tightly together - exploiting the soil untill it becomes unusable. Growth, growth, growth. The sacred cow.
@TonyHill @jasonkoebler These centimeter-accurate planting/harvesting technologies are not just greed in action. People have to eat, and there are a whole lot of us.

@liquor_american @TonyHill @jasonkoebler interesting, until we consider that the compounding effects of soil compaction (from use of heavy machinery), monocropping, & use of synthetic fertilizers is FUCKING the earth & putting a cap on future farming efficacy anyway.

Yeah, people have to eat, that's why we should be asking ourselves if the modern approach to farming & distrubution (large factory farming, subsidies for large farms & small farms becoming scarce) is actually working to that end.

@itsmeholland @TonyHill @jasonkoebler For the time being, it's what we've got.

@liquor_american @TonyHill @jasonkoebler yeah, because the current model has put concerted effort & money into destroying any alternatives & making operation impossible for many small farms.

The current status quo for just about anything is not inevitable & we don't have to accept or support them just because it's what The Overseers have decided we should accept & support. Dismissing genuine criticisms of modern food production bc "its what we've got" & "people need to eat" is a non-argument.

@itsmeholland @liquor_american @TonyHill @jasonkoebler especially with more fertile farmland being turned subdivisions and malls.
@CarmenSD11235 @itsmeholland @liquor_american @TonyHill @jasonkoebler
How much of the most fertile farmland is being turned into homes and malls? How many acres of farmland does it take to grow enough calories for the entire population of earth, and how many acres of farmland exist?
@itsmeholland Modern farming is minimally compactive. No-till seeding, cover-crops, etc. Ploughing is a thing of the past. Smart spray minimises chemical usage (vs. small-scale farms spreading untreated manure from which surplus chemicals run off). Ppl need to eat. Of course ppl should eat less, waste less - and US industrial dairy/beef is a disaster. Arable should include more woodland/hedge/pollinator spaces. But ppl underestimate the acreage needed for artisan production.

@liquor_american @TonyHill @jasonkoebler
Growing enough food is easy. Really. The US alone grows enough calories to feed every person on earth 2000 calories per day.

Getting that food to poor people is hard (because we don't prioritize it).

@jasonkoebler That's insane and just plain very bad. There doesn't even seem to be a 'manual' option to get at least some planting done.

"My coffee machine stopped working because my cloud provider has a DNS problem..."

Face, meet palm...
@paul @jasonkoebler The problem is that the farms in question are set up to require superhuman precision. Get just two inches out of line and you're destroying your crop.
@chakatfirepaw Easy solution, then. Let them wait a few days, until it's over.
@jasonkoebler

@jasonkoebler Interesting to figure out who or what fucked up here. SBAS/WAAS provider? DGPS makers messing up ionospheric correction? Space weather parameters out of spec for the software running on the RTKs? All of the above?

nb: As much as I dislike Deere, this should be handled completely blameless, the way the FAA handles an investigation. So many lessons to learn here.

@thetaphi @jasonkoebler kinda hard to run accurate GPS in the middle of a G5 class geomagnetic event tbf.

@gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler Indeed, which also suggests that the over reliance on GPS for centimeter accuracy in crop planting is a nasty failure mode that should be avoided.

The solar storm is just a dress rehearsal 🎭 for nation state actors knocking out GPS and causing food shortages.

#resilience

@matthewskelton @gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler do you think that's the most important thing for farmers to prepare for?
@saraislet @matthewskelton @thetaphi @jasonkoebler can y'all untag me from future conversation in this subthread please :)
@gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler But are Glonass and Galileo better?
@dolmen @gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler no, just different. It's mostly a question of who controls the satellites, not wheter the tech is better. The idea is very simple: receive time signals from different sources and with relatively simpel math you can sauce out where you are. The simpler the signal, the smaller and simpler the receivers can be. That's why GPS has only little error correction and no authentication codes.
@gilgwath @gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler That's why I'm asking if Glonass or Galileo have stronger designs to resist to such disturbances.
@gsuberland @thetaphi @jasonkoebler yeah I have a satellite up like out here. It's only a small one but it was not having a happy time. During the peek I had to shut it off to make sure it didn't damage itself.
"Turn off anything you have that relies on satellites or space in general right now. I think this might cause some sort of damage."
Robot tractors trying to flee Kansas. I didn't exactly expect.

@jasonkoebler

Sounds like they need some pattern enhancers. #StarTrek #Farming #GPS

@jchaven @jasonkoebler My robot lawnmower works with *one* of these, Sun be damned.
@jasonkoebler I didn’t have “Solar storm leads to crop failures” on my 2024 BINGO card.
@jasonkoebler My grandfathers, both farmers, are surely spinning in their graves.
@jasonkoebler @munin yield maximizing so that they can overproduce and then be forced to destroy half of their crop at the end of the season. great.
@jasonkoebler That's mild compared to what could well happen as and when we're impacted by a much more severe solar storm.
@jasonkoebler quick note: can you please add alt text to the text you have screenshotted? a11y is pretty important here :3

@jasonkoebler Alt text: "Due to the way the RTK network works, the base stations were sending out
corrections that have been affected by the geomagnetic storm and were
causing drastic shifts in the field and even some heading changes that were
drastic," the dealership told farmers Saturday morning.

Highlighted in green:
"When you head back
into these fields to side dress, spray, cultivate, harvest, etc. over the next… (1/2)

several months, we expect that the rows won't be where the AutoPath lines
think they are. (End highlight)

This will only affect the fields that are planted during times of
reduced accuracy. It is most likely going to be difficult-if not impossible-to
make AutoPath work in these fields as the inaccuracy is most likely
inconsistent." (2/2)

@jasonkoebler This isn't surprising if you've worked with SLAM systems before. Frankly I'm amazed that it took a geomagnetic storm before their system started to degrade. It must be REALLY robust.

Unfortunately, there's really no good way to get around this. Either don't plant while there's a storm that screws up the broadcast corrections, or accept that the hyper-accurate pathing data you collect on where your seed rows are will be incorrect.

@jasonkoebler Maybe they could provide a reset button to erase the incorrect data for the field, but then when you go back over them again later you have absolutely NO aid for where the rows were, rather than a bad one. And it sounds like it'll be reset at the end of the crop cycle anyway.

Sure, you could also just "go without" this entire system too, but it's a MASSIVE aid to farmers that helps them pack more crop into their fields.

@jasonkoebler I would absolutely LOVE for there to be an open-source tractor computer system with an open-source version of this navigation system, and I'd be one of the first in line to help develop it from scratch if anyone starts stripping the guts out john deere tractors.

But I also have to admit that there's a good chance that an open source version would also have the same problem.

@jasonkoebler that's strange, GPS accuracy is only down to 30cm for civilians. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
Global Positioning System - Wikipedia

@hyc

@jasonkoebler rtk for civiliens hes been that accurate for several decades. However it has always needed a lot of correction to get there and that means the recivers are thousands of dollars end need a monthly subscription (or a second reciver, the subscription is generally cheaper)

Differential GPS - Wikipedia

Interstellar self-driving harvester scene

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@jasonkoebler @rpmik it’s almost like we shouldn’t be or so reliant on tech and industrial ag.. sigh…

@jasonkoebler nothing runs like a Deere lol

and they want to keep people from fixing their own equipement