VJmes 🐤
1.3.6.1.4.1.61513As a user,
I want your application to randomly steal focus
So that,
I enter my password managers main password into a chat box
I want your application to randomly steal focus
So that,
I enter my password managers main password into a chat box
Deborah Pickett@xssfox 😬
devopscats@xssfox welcome to my world, also see recent releases of Mac OS that have adopted Windows behaviour of every starting application stealing focus, booting a Mac OS machine while each application I had running last time starts and steals focus from the one I’m trying to type in is one day going to result in me doing a physical experiment to determine how quickly the laptop reaches terminal velocity…
Tyrone Slothrop@devopscats @xssfox With me, this new world of everything stealing focus has simply resulted in me happily typing PINs and passwords into any box that presents itself.
Corporate ITsec will surely take care of it. So I can relax and enjoy the shelter provided by the gentle hand of capitalism.
@devopscats @xssfox in other words, they’ve turned me from a professionally paranoid user into a live threat.
0xThylacine@xssfox Once rebooted a critical prod box in the middle of the day because microsoft decided to steal focus and put up a 'reboot now' ok box directly over the button I was milliseconds from clicking on. Dumbest UI ever created. Rage doesn't begin to describe how infuriating it is. I'd like to meet the moron that thought it was a good idea to put that UI into the OS.
Fabian【ファビアン】🏳️🌈@xssfox also the users:
2000 bugreports and an ongoing shitstorm online: WHY does gnome only show "your application is ready" instead of actually giving this new window the focus!!??
convexer@fabiscafe @xssfox I can't think of the last time GNOME showed me a notification I actually cared about. First thing I do on any GNOME install is disable all the notification categories—one by one, of course, because who would have thought to make a global toggle?
dolwup 
@fabiscafe @xssfox I think this also resulted a bit from the "your application is ready" middleman notifications you got when clicking on a notification. That was fixed in 46 and ngl I'm glad that gnome inhibits the annoying focus stealing of some apps
Emelia/Emi@fabiscafe @xssfox My only problem with gnome's behavior there is that it does that even when you clicked on the notification which is generally intended to direct the focus to the app in question. Other than that, applications not being able to steal focus is a good thing.
@becomethewaifu it shouldn't do this at all with GS46 anymore 
Beko Pharm (deprecated)@fabiscafe @xssfox certainly not me. I remember when Steam managed to steal focus on launch for 6 whopping times!
hazelnot 
@fabiscafe @xssfox eh, having used it both ways I discovered I actually prefer having my focus stolen 99% of the time
When I was on Gnome I used an extension that lol
Daniel@xssfox oh yes. And the evil twin story where apps change their on-screen layout as they load things, so that the button/link I’m hitting with my finger is actually something else by the time it touches the screen.
Dr. h.c.* Grober Unfug@anotherdaniel @xssfox
I know an IDE (for some industry stuff) that changes the menu and submenu ordering according to the Alphabet. Now you often change the IDE language because some functions can only use non latin Letters if the IDE is Set to the specific language. And all of this messes heavily with the OCR functions of the sdk.
And of course they also translated functions names. So there is a good Chance that you break programs if you copy one to another IDE. 
Kelvin n0mql EN35ld
Rat@anotherdaniel @xssfox uuuuugh, this is enraging. bonus points if the thing I clicked opens something else and I have to reload all over again.
Asbjørn Ulsberg@anotherdaniel @xssfox I’m glad to see that I’m in good company hating on this.
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷 (@[email protected])
@[email protected] UI updating or refreshing in ways that change what actions do after an interactive screen has been presented to the user is one of my toxic patterns. I think UI should be turn based, not like a first person shooter.
Snail5008@xssfox WOW this is the most beautiful poetry I've ever heard :3
folken
Kevin Karhan 
Tryst 🏴 🇮🇪 
@xssfox Discord?
Luv Mehta@xssfox user story format correct, DoR checked off and business ranking set to zero, this is highest priority by PdM because a single executive from one of our biggest clients told them so
prinzessinnen_und_raben
C64tone@xssfox I nearly choked on my chocolate Digestive biscuit.
Currywurst@xssfox
The worst is when pop-ups do that. As if they weren't already annoying enough.
The worst is when pop-ups do that. As if they weren't already annoying enough.
@Currywurst @xssfox #PopUps should be illegal too...
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112337151202067409
https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/112337151202067409
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] wtf? Also yes that *misbehaviour* of apps should be outlawed!
Wannabe Astronaut@xssfox
It's not a bug, it's a feature.
Mwahahahaha.
Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)
Lars Marowsky-Brée 😷@xssfox UI updating or refreshing in ways that change what actions do after an interactive screen has been presented to the user is one of my toxic patterns.
I think UI should be turn based, not like a first person shooter.
Wolf480pl@wolf480pl @xssfox I think it's the consequence of more and more "responsive" UI frameworks.
Designers and developers greedily accept them and we're now beginning to pay that price.
Hopefully, a solution will emerge.
Turn-based frameworks, or patterns that ensure that behavior invoked by already visible elements is immutable or only ever switches to doing nothing.
Designers and developers greedily accept them and we're now beginning to pay that price.
Hopefully, a solution will emerge.
Turn-based frameworks, or patterns that ensure that behavior invoked by already visible elements is immutable or only ever switches to doing nothing.
@larsmb @xssfox
OTOH, pretty sure back in WinXP and gtk2 days it was possible to change UI elements without user interaction, it's just that it was usually fast enough the user couldn't outrun the code.
Which didn't eliminate all race conditions (eg. popup stealing your focus) but did eliminate some classes of them (eg. UI shifting from under your mouse; starting typing too quickly before focus changes, etc)
@larsmb I just realized HTML forms and install wizards are a form of turn-based UI
Jemma@xssfox focus stealers are the worst
Kevin Karhan :verified: (@[email protected])
@[email protected] wtf? Also yes that *misbehaviour* of apps should be outlawed!
RedstoneLP2@xssfox
Best i can do is text boxes which validate the input in js after every character and forces the user to reselect the text box for every character.
Also: clicking in the box auto selects all existing text
Did i mention this was a password field?
@RedstoneLP2 @xssfox yeah, seen this shite in real life!
This is why I ban #JavaScript!
@RedstoneLP2 @xssfox That's the problem of said websites, not mine.
If a website doesn't work on #LynxBrowser over #Tor over #EDGEland - esque #2G speeds or even #Iridium, it's ableist bloatware that should cease to exist IMHO!
Oh yeah, I also reject all cookies.
And if you think that no cookies and no JS can't work then please take a look at Dread...
@kkarhan
I'm well aware that it CAN work, just no popular site does it.
I'm well aware that it CAN work, just no popular site does it.
@RedstoneLP2 guess why I don't use them?
And if I have to, there's http://frogfind.com to get that done...
#WhatYouAllowIsWhatWillContinue applies espechally to #Enshittification.
The only winning move is not to buy/use/play/recommend/accept any level of #Enshittification!
@kkarhan out of mild curiosity: which mastodon frontend do you use?
@RedstoneLP2 depends on the device...
WestphalDenn@kkarhan @RedstoneLP2 OMG I did not know about that one. Thanks!
@WestphalDenn @RedstoneLP2 you can thank @ActionRetro about it.
I Built a Search Engine... for Vintage Computers!
Dwev@RedstoneLP2 @xssfox not to mention those that force the cursor to the end of the input after every input making it almost impossible to insert anything at the start. E.g. adding +1 before a US phone number can be very trying at times.
@xssfox One of my coworkers has a yubikey that randomly pastes its private key (?) every few minutes into whatever text box has focus. Often to hilarious results when we are in a serious teams meeting
@xssfox wtf?
Also yes that misbehaviour of apps should be outlawed!
Asta McCarthy@xssfox we should rename "blind-typing" to "type-while-watching-the-screen-to-guard-against-focus-theft"
Nini@xssfox Meanwhile, my password manager has been stealing focus from other apps.