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Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop

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Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop - Lemmy.ca

Plainclothes Chicago police officers fired nearly 100 gunshots over 41 seconds during a traffic stop that left one man dead and one officer injured, according to graphic video footage a police oversight agency released Tuesday. Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt. Video shows the 26-year-old Black man briefly lowering a window and then raising it and refusing to exit the vehicle as more officers arrived, yelled commands and drew weapons.

Alexstarfire Apr 10, 2024

Why are undercover cops pulling over a guy for not wearing a seat belt to begin with?

Maggoty Apr 10, 2024

That’s an easy answer, they profiled him as a drug dealer and looked for any pretext to stop him. Instead of doing real police work like developing leads and stopping someone because they have probable cause to believe they’re transporting drugs. But that’s not sexy and adrenaline inducing.

foggy Apr 10, 2024

Isn’t failure to wear seatbelt a secondary offense? I believe you cannot be pulled over for it, only cited for it during a legitimate traffic stop.

johannesvanderwhales Apr 10, 2024

Depends on the state.

UnculturedSwine Apr 12, 2024

Got pulled over in Utah because my adult passenger wasn’t wearing his seatbelt correctly. There was no other pretense for it and there have been ad campaigns making it clear that officers will pull you over for that reason and only that reason.

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

100 shots from five cops is …. Actually fairly reserved.

20 rounds a piece, a Glock 19 9mm, with the 19 round mag… that could easily have been dumped inside of 15-20 seconds, faster if they didn’t care to aim.

Cops are trained, that when they start shooting they don’t stop shooting until either the target hits the pavement or makes it very obvious they’re no longer a threat. (Which, is why you see cops dump full mags into kids.) there is no “wing ‘em and they’ll give up.”

Once a cop decides to use lethal force… its over.

I have no idea of the particulars- and I’m making assumption that the cops murdered another kid. But that headline is not nearly as excessive as they want you to believe. (Though “cops shot kid” should get you angry!)

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

Cops are trained, that when they start shooting they don’t stop shooting until either the target hits the pavement or makes it very obvious they’re no longer a threat. (Which, is why you see cops dump full mags into kids.) there is no “wing ‘em and they’ll give up.”

You’re saying that like it’s the way they should be trained.

The very fact that they are shooting children over and over again doesn’t suggest to you that maybe this is the wrong sort of training?

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

I ain’t defending it.

I completely agree with your assessment that they absolutely need better training- one of the things is spending increased focused on deescalation and soft skills- time-wise,

one unfortunate reality is there are people who would fire out of that car at cops. looking into it it’s at least plausible that the guy shot first. Not … that I trust the narrative. Dirty cops get protection from the others. who knows who shot first.

all I was trying to point out is that, a hundred rounds fired by five cops, isn’t actually all that much.

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

You can see glass blow out from the right hand side of the vehicle before the body cam officer starts shooting, it definitely looks like the vehicle occupant fired first.

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

Yeah.

nsfw warning, but here’s the COPA release.

They have every body camera involved in it;starting from before they get out of the car (but no audio until they do.)

It’s pretty clear that Reed shot first.

Their pretext for pulling him over doesn’t make sense, though. One, all the windows were tinted, and it’s special tactics cops- there’s a lot of maybes here but you don’t send these guys for routine traffic stops.

2024-0003052 - Civilian Office of Police Accountability

Subject: Dexter Reed, Jr. This post includes all relevant video, audio, and Chicago Police Department records in COPA’s possession that are required to be released related to the use of …

Civilian Office of Police Accountability

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

Going by the way they approached the vehicle, they knew something was likely to happen.

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

That does make some sense, once the decision to use lethal force has been made, you use it until it has worked. Police do carry nonlethal weapons as well.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

vice.com/…/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-non-lethal-w…

There’s No Such Thing as a 'Non-Lethal' Weapon

Tasers, pepper spray, and other "non-lethal" or "less lethal" devices still have the potential to cripple or kill, and we need to recognize that.

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

What would you prefer, they asked politely, and gave up when people declined?

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

You’re right. There’s no middle ground between asking someone politely and giving up when they decline and emptying an entire clip into their chest.

No middle ground at all.

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

Maybe some type of weapon that, if used correctly, can immobilise or incapacitate someone without doing any lasting harm?

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

Ah yes, this imaginary weapon that will always be used correctly and never on anyone with a heart condition or anything like that.

I don’t know how cops even survived before “non-lethal” weapons were invented. I guess they just shot every criminal every time. Either that, or it was just cop murder constantly. I don’t even know how there were any cops.

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

They hit people with sticks, that’s how.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

You mean they had to get close to a criminal? They had to actually be brave and take risks?

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

Police still do carry batons, by the way. It’s much easier to do that when the other guy doesn’t have a weapon, of course.

I’m honestly not sure what your point is here, police can and do use pepper spray and tasers quite often, but not when the person they’re approaching is likely to have a firearm.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

Seems to me they use their guns a lot of times when the other guy doesn’t have a firearm…

Ilovethebomb Apr 10, 2024

The guy in the video did.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

Great, now how about all the other times?

Viking_Hippie Apr 10, 2024

100 shots from five cops is …. Actually fairly reserved.

Not when they have no valid cause to fire even once FFs!

20 rounds a piece, a Glock 19 9mm, with the 19 round mag… that could easily have been dumped inside of 15-20 seconds, faster if they didn’t care to aim.

Sø you’re saying that, at least some of them emptied their mag and then RELOADED to keep shooting for no good reason? That’s what you call fucking RESERVED??

Cops are trained, that when they start shooting they don’t stop shooting until either the target hits the pavement

First of all, that’s horrible. That’s murder.

Second of all, it’s pretty damn hard to “hit the pavement” when you’re seated inside a car trying in vain to not be murdered!

or makes it very obvious they’re no longer a threat

Barricading yourself inside his car unarmed wasn’t obvious enough?

not nearly as excessive as they want you to believe

It’s plenty fucking excessive and even WITH your disclaimers at the end, you’re still minimizing absolutely insane behavior and dismissing it as “reserved”. That’s fucked up and you should probably reevaluate some things…

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

First of all, you should probably watch the video in the article. Or any of the other videos that came out.

Of special note is the cop at the front passenger window getting shot. those were the first shots fired. You, uh, sure, you want to insist he was “unarmed”? or perhaps you’re suggesting the cop buddies just didn’t like him?

in the cbs segment on it… the ex-cop-talking head makes an excellent point: the pretext for stopping was total bullshit. For one, those windows are heavy tint. you can’t see inside. For another, special tactics teams are not used for “routine traffic stops”. unless it’s an exceedingly slow day. (and it’s chicago. no such thing as a slow day.)

it doesn’t pass the bullshit test. but in the videos released of the shooting… cops got shot first. I’m surprised they didn’t turn the truck into scrap. And yes. that’s fucked up.

Why did traffic stop, shootout with Chicago Police killed Dexter Reed escalate so rapidly?

Why did shootout with Chicago Police killed Dexter Reed escalate so rapidly?

CBS Chicago

Viking_Hippie Apr 10, 2024

First of all, you should probably watch the video in the article. Or any of the other videos that came out.

You mean the ones carefully curated by the cops to make them come off as well as possible? No thanks. I never watched the campaign videos of Joe Arpaio or Eric Adams and I’m not going to start watching pro-cop propaganda now.

Of special note is the cop at the front passenger window getting shot. those were the first shots fired. You, uh, sure, you want to insist he was “unarmed”? or perhaps you’re suggesting the cop buddies just didn’t like him?

No evidence of where that sho came from. Could easily be a cop with bad aim, yes. I’m not going to give the benefit of the doubt to the murder victim, not the murderers.

it doesn’t pass the bullshit test. but

“I’m not trying to defend murderers, BUT…” 🙄

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

So you’re full of shit spouting your own propaganda. Okay.

Have a nice life living in a fairy tail where the only monsters are cops.

Viking_Hippie Apr 10, 2024

So you’re full of shit spouting your own propaganda. Okay.

Nope. Just not automatically trusting the story of cops because I’m not an idiot.

Have a nice life living in a fairy tail where the only monsters are cops.

Have a nice life living in a fairy tale where cops aren’t monsters and haven’t proven themselves as inherently untrustworthy as the IDF, Newsmax or Russia Today.

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

I think I’ve been very clear about my skepticism.

I’m not trusting the cops for shit. Watch the video. If you want skip the talking heads, go to twenty-five seconds in the video on this article. That’s just before the first shots start. You see a cop get shot.

Those were the first shots fired.

Is it curated? Probably. Their pretext is full of shit, no question.

Viking_Hippie Apr 10, 2024

You see a cop get shot.

But not who fires the shot. Could be another cop. Could be a randomly passing lunatic. Could be Rahm Emanuel or Chicago Bears punter Trenton Gill for all we know.

You’re acting like a bullet hitting a cop is in itself incontrovertible evidence that their victim shot first. It’s not.

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

And you’re acting like it’s not evidence at all.

I accept there’s missing information here. Things we don’t know. A lot of this is going to depend heavily on the real reason the cops targeted him. I doubt very much either of us will really know. And I’m very confident they didn’t pick a random black guy.

You seem incapable or unwilling to doubt the narrative you’ve already decided is the Truth™️.

As for who fired the first shot, the cops didn’t go active until after the cop gets shot. The more or less full body cam videos of every cop Are released there. Including the cop that gets shot (arm/wrist. You can see the blood on his left hand.)

2024-0003052 - Civilian Office of Police Accountability

Subject: Dexter Reed, Jr. This post includes all relevant video, audio, and Chicago Police Department records in COPA’s possession that are required to be released related to the use of …

Civilian Office of Police Accountability

Viking_Hippie Apr 10, 2024

And you’re acting like it’s not evidence at all.

Not of anyone in the car shooting, like you keep pretending it is.

Rule number one of everything cops release to the public: if there’s anything significant missing, it’s extremely likely that it’s missing on purpose because it contradicts their narrative.

Does Trenton Gill even have an alibi? 😛

real reason the cops targeted him.

Because they’re trigger happy and murdering people makes them feel powerful, probably.

I’m very confident they didn’t pick a random black guy.

Proving once again that you’ve learned nothing from previous similar incidents.

You seem incapable or unwilling to doubt the narrative you’ve already decided is the Truth™️.

Says the one who trusts cops without evidence 🙄

the cops didn’t go active until after the cop gets shot.

According to cops who have proven no such thing.

And again, I never said I don’t believe that the cop got shot. I just won’t take a notoriously untruthful and manipulative group of people at their word on WHO shot him.

CileTheSane Apr 10, 2024

Once a cop decides to use lethal force… its over.

And unfortunately they seem to be making that decision before they even arrive on the scene.

FuglyDuck Apr 10, 2024

They were certainly prepared to make it, and considering how short the trip was- like they got in the truck, rolled up and rolled out on the guy.

There’s something else here. It wasn’t a seatbelt beef, and it wasn’t an accident.

vortic Apr 10, 2024

If I had to guess, they pulled Reed over because thought he had something illegal in the car. The just used the seat belt as an excuse to pull him over and attempt to establish probable cause for a search of the car.

That is probably supported by this:

The Civilian Office of Police Accountability said preliminary evidence showed Reed fired first, injuring an officer in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the city’s West Side. Then four officers returned fire, shooting 96 rounds.

As well as the fact that, even after a cop had emptied his magazine, Reed still managed to start driving away.

I’m normally an ACAB guy, but the video makes it look like they were justified in continuing to fire, especially if it’s true that Reed fired first.

TimLovesTech Apr 10, 2024

In that video they already had guns out and pointed at him. A group of unmarked “cops” shouldn’t be allowed to draw weapons and surround your car on a seatbelt violation. The second they all showed up with weapons drawn I would consider his shot self defense.

They shouldn’t even be approaching the car until a uniformed officer is on scene to vouch that these aren’t just some Proud Boys (or any similar group of wanna be paramilitary out LARPing) playing cops.

halcyoncmdr Apr 10, 2024

They shouldn’t even be approaching the car until a uniformed officer is on scene to vouch that these aren’t just some Proud Boys (or any similar group of wanna be paramilitary out LARPing) playing cops.

Cash money says they were some Proud Boys being cops.

Maggoty Apr 10, 2024

The police always claim they were shot at first. The number of times I’ve heard that and it turns out the police shot themselves and then murdered someone makes me very hesitant to believe that without clear video of it.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

there is literal video in the linked article of him shooting first.

Maggoty Apr 10, 2024

There’s police off camera. You want people to believe the police? Release all the footage. This wouldn’t be the first time they released only the footage that shows them in the best light.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

Another angle isn't going to show anyone else shooting first. This isn't the George Lucas cut.

Maggoty Apr 10, 2024

You’re right this isn’t Hollywood. So why would you try to sell me that highly edited cut as evidence? That’s not a video it’s a slideshow with people talking over it.

TimLovesTech Apr 10, 2024

He was surrounded by unmarked people with guns drawn and pointed at him as soon as he rolled down his window. Plain clothes officers should not be surrounding people with guns drawn for a “seatbelt” violation. I would say he felt like his life was at risk, and use of force was completely justified here.

These cops murdered him, and should be charged as such.

Edwardthefma99✡Apr 10, 2024

Rule 1 with talking to police in a car is always keep both hands on the stearing wheel at all times or keep you hands whare the officer can see them if in passenger or back seat rule 2 is always comply with the officer even if you are in the right and he is wrong take your Battle to the court Room the odds are better and you don’t end up like Swiss cheese cause you reached for some chewing gum and the cop mistakes it for a loaded fire arm

Limitless_screaming Apr 10, 2024

Plainclothes Chicago police officers fired nearly 100 gunshots over 41 seconds during a traffic stop that left one man dead and one officer injured

Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

https://abc7chicago.com/dexter-reed-chicago-police-shooting-body-camera-video-copa/14637195/

From the video: The 26 year old was already facing illegal gun charges and if the cops found the gun he'd be going back to jail.

Plainclothes Chicago police officers

At least one clearly had a vest on marked POLICE

It's very likely they ran the plates, knew he was up on weapons charges, saw him not wearing a seatbelt and used that as a pretence to pull him over. End of the day he was a criminal doing criminal things who shot a cop first.

Chicago police officers fired about 96 times over 41 seconds, killing Dexter Reed: VIDEO

COPA said video footage and initial reports confirm that Dexter Reed fired first, hitting an officer. COPA said four other officers then returned fire.

ABC7 Chicago

Limitless_screaming Apr 10, 2024

It seems like one of them was marked, but I can't tell if that vest had the same text on the front from the video.

End of the day he was a criminal doing criminal things who shot a cop first.

I mostly agree with this, but still, there's some room to doubt that he knew they were cops.

Edwardthefma99✡Apr 10, 2024

Doesn’t matter the reason they used he broke rule 1 keep your hands on wheel and rule 2 comply when asked he could of brought that up in court

Limitless_screaming Apr 10, 2024

Doesn’t matter the reason they used

It doesn't matter, but you're kind of avoiding the things that matter here. The other texts I highlighted show that he couldn't have known that they're actually police officers (I am assuming your rules don't apply to gangs) so he had no reason (according to this article) to comply.

When you can't tell that someone is a cop, the "rules" for handling a cop don't matter to you.

ironhydroxide Apr 10, 2024

Hard to bring anything up in court when you’re dead. The cops know this.

Hugh_Jeggs Apr 10, 2024

Fuckin hell Eddie, did they shoot your punctuation too?

CileTheSane Apr 10, 2024

Super cool to need specific rules to not die when interacting with local law enforcement. Totally normal.

blahsay Apr 10, 2024

He shot at the cops. They fired back. What’s to understand?

Chozo Apr 10, 2024

Plain clothes officers in an unmarked car with guns drawn on him for a seatbelt violation. How is somebody supposed to differentiate them from any other gang calling themselves "police"?

He shot in self defense. Period.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

https://abc7chicago.com/dexter-reed-chicago-police-shooting-body-camera-video-copa/14637195/

More information here, from the video narration:

The 26 year old was already facing illegal gun charges and if the cops found the gun he'd be going back to jail. He didn't shoot in self defence. He shot because he was a criminal afraid to go back to jail.

Chicago police officers fired about 96 times over 41 seconds, killing Dexter Reed: VIDEO

COPA said video footage and initial reports confirm that Dexter Reed fired first, hitting an officer. COPA said four other officers then returned fire.

ABC7 Chicago

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

When did you gain your psychic powers? I’d like to talk to my dead grandparents.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

Clearly you already live in a fantasy world if you think a criminal illegally possessing a weapon simply shot out of 'self defence' when faced with returning to jail. No one was running up on him when he shot. They were backing off, clear as day in the video. The mental gymnastics people will go through to defend violent criminals is absolutely sad.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

Interesting that someone claiming to know a dead person’s motivations and thoughts accuses me of living in a fantasy world.

crossmr Apr 10, 2024

I notice that you didn't accuse the person who claimed he fired in self defence of having psychic powers. Maybe if your bias was so blatant I wouldn't take everything you said as a giant trolling joke.

Flying Squid Apr 10, 2024

“You didn’t say anything to them, therefore what you said to me is not valid” is very poor reasoning.