The narrative around Universal Basic Income often gets twisted into a saga of laziness. But here's food for thought: UBI will be the most significant productivity booster we've yet to embrace. Freed from survival stress, innovation and creativity will flourish like never before.

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Absolutely. There's loads of people trapped in bad situations because they simply can't leave, it would cost money that they can't risk.

@rastilin @scottsantens

There's a long history of business and land owners opposing anything that might strengthen the hand of wage-labourers in negotiations or strikes - even fairly marginal things like workers growing their own food in allotments or gardens - this was a real struggle in the early history of Joseph Arch's agricultural labourers' union.

Whatever its advantages to society as a whole, UBI will be fiercely opposed by most employers for this reason - the last thing they want is workers who feel empowered to walk away from exploitative jobs.

@GeofCox @rastilin @scottsantens This is a key point. UBI would likely have all kinds of benefits, but it doesn't generally benefit the people who have the power to implement it.
@AdrianRiskin @GeofCox @rastilin @scottsantens In the long term it will benefit everyone. Stretch the disparity between the haves and the have nots too far and guillotines eventually get erected in the town square.
@scottsantens it is because of bullshit assumption that laziness actually exists and money motivates people.
@scottsantens Linda Taylor’s sad life has been used to hurt so many people who were already hurting https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-true-story-behind-the-welfare-queen-stereotype EDIT: replaced amp link
The true story behind the 'welfare queen' stereotype

In his new book "The Queen," author Josh Levin tells the story of Linda Taylor, a woman who became infamous as a welfare cheat. She was a woman who went by many names, was accused of many crimes, and whose image as a Cadillac-driving welfare recipient has lived on. Hari Sreenivasan spoke with Levin to learn more.

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Concerning the survival stress:

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The economics of the future are somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century.

Lily Sloane: No money? You mean you don't get paid?

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity. Actually, we're rather like yourself and Dr. Cochrane.

@scottsantens Protestant work ethic ethos is strong in N.A. still and colours thinking on UBI. 🙁
@scottsantens
1. Every test so far tends to indicate people use that guaranteed income to increase their earning capacity eg starting new businesses, clearing debts to remove interest charges, etc., or benefiting society by voluntary work.
2. Even if some people did literally sit around & do nothing but consume stuff bought with UBI, they're (a) not committing crimes, & (b) supporting the economy by spending. Better than stockpiling money in offshore accounts, giving society no benefit from it.

@HighlandLawyer @scottsantens
The irony is that all of the new small businesses, all of the economic benefit created by them, all of the money that ordinary people keep circulating in the economy, will actually increase the profits of companies that fight against UBI.

Instead of fighting over who gets the biggest slice of the pie, UBI will bake a bigger pie.

@violet @scottsantens
Can't speak to other countries but currently in the UK SMEs account for 3/5th of all employment, and half of UK private sector turnover. 4/5th of UK private sector businesses have no employees (so are sole traders, partnerships, co-ops etc)
So a scheme which strengthens that sector, simplifies tax & benefits systems, & raises general individual security & happiness would on purely economic terms seem to be a no brainer- except for the vested interests of a wealthy minority
@scottsantens The whole money system depends upon scarcity of money in the hands of those who need it. When that scarcity becomes too tight, it is loosened up through one means or another. But the money system still remains dependent upon some needing it more than others.
@scottsantens UBI will work much better if the people who get it are also removed from the hydraulic stone-bleeding presses that automatically remove every penny of disposable income through the magic of invasive rent-seeking culture.
@scottsantens It will also be a huge boon for small business growth. With a UBI, many more people will have the security to start their own business, open a restaurant or salon, etc.

@scottsantens A rather cruel, but in a sense effective hypothesis. Individuals free from competition and survival usually degenerate to tik-tokers. Relaxed, willless, intellectually reduced masses dependent on centralized resource distributors will be a great gift for witty, innovative, creative technofascists, megacorps, dictators.

#neodarwinism #bravenewworld #huxleyandystopia

@apemantus @scottsantens using works of speculative fiction when hard data exists to the contrary seems inadvisable.
@Flamekebab @scottsantens Would appreciate hard data on innovation and creativity flourishing among dependents.
@apemantus @scottsantens whilst I've only ever read the synopses that sounds like precisely the findings of some of the UBI studies that have been done. I'm not doing the legwork to find them but I'm fairly sure there's a selection in the parent thread.
@Flamekebab @scottsantens “Do your own research,” classic. Thanks for the input.

@apemantus @scottsantens You referenced *actual fiction* to support your argument and have the gall to be dismissive when called on it?

I said there are studies, actual research. Not some random conspiracy theory nonsense on YouTube.

Here, I'll get you started:
https://www.thersa.org/globalassets/reports/rsa_basic_income_20151216.pdf

There.

If you want more then I'm sure you can operate a search engine as I've certainly no interest in engaging with you further.

@scottsantens Seems like nearly every time I've heard person A call person B lazy, it's just a revelation of person A's ignorance of person B's daily labor
@scottsantens Right? How many people out there are sitting on great ideas for art, music, technology, business, whatever ... but too busy surviving or too tenuously secure to take a risk and commit to them? I'd wager it's a LOT.

@scottsantens

Ah, the intriguing subject of Universal Basic Income / Services, a proposal both thought-provoking and multifaceted! Your post raises a pertinent point indeed. If we allow our minds to expand into possibilities, one could imagine the transformative impact UBI/S might have on societal productivity.

Imagine the myriad wonders that would emerge as individuals, liberated from the stranglehold of survival stress, find their talents and passions soaring to new heights!

In essence, UBI/S is not an incentive for laziness; rather, it is an ignition for a newfound motivation that could redefine our species' capabilities.

A society unburdened by such stress may indeed usher in a golden era of innovation and creative expression, a time where humankind's collective imagination is harnessed towards noble goals. An era where the true potentials of humanity are realized and celebrated, fostering an age of prosperity like never before witnessed.

@scottsantens Besides, there are many important things that need to be done yet aren't considered "work" since there isn't any monetary value generated. Things that need far more people to spend their time participating in them, yet they can't because they're too busy working for money.
@scottsantens There's good evidence of UBI actually increasing full-time employment where it's been practiced.

I had to do research on it for a speech and it's kinda crazy how little research actually shows negative effects from a UBI (aside from maybe the cost factor, but it's cost-benefit ratio is often better than other programs).
@scottsantens Also laziness doesn't exist. This is especially true when, as you've said, people's basic needs are met and they feel comfortable enough to just "do" without the capitalistic undertones.
@scottsantens People may even start inventing things in their garages again. Much to the chagrin of corporations.
@scottsantens I’ve been surprised to see that some of the most ardent and informed supporters of UBI are tech engineers.
@aethervision @scottsantens I did hold my tongue and simply block one objectivist techie though, so it's not universal.
@scottsantens when are we getting UBI? Is it soon?
Yeah I'll take that sweet government check and waste my life on completely worthless endeavors like helping my friends, being kind, and relaxing once and a while. How evil of me.
@scottsantens I’d like to think that UBI would work. It has been “shown” to work in all the test cases, but the problem there is that it was given to a small subset of people; i.e. it wasn’t truly Universal. If Universal, then I fear that UBI issued in $/€/£/ would simply cause the cost of living to rise to consume it and it’d never be sufficient. (1/2)
So I favour the idea that most public services be free (including basic habitation & it’s ancilliary costs, food, health, transportation). All would need to be kept within appropriate limits; an individual (liveable) allowance for all the essentials and a bit more (tradeable) besides. A universal basic credit for a certain amount of goods, not a monetary amount at the mercy of “markets”. (2/2)

@scottsantens

UBI is a profit center.

The fascists will fight it.

#Fascism

Canada’s forgotten universal basic income experiment

Amid wide unemployment during Covid-19, basic income schemes have gained fresh relevance. A successful Canadian scheme that's over four decades old could provide a road map for others.

BBC

@scottsantens

Thank you for following me. I post about climate solutions that can be preemptively implemented by ordinary citizens and how much they can reduce global warming without waiting for their governments to act. For example:

If we, the people, reduced our consumption of animal-based foods by 75% we would reduce worldwide GHG emissions by 15%. That is 34% more than all the greenhouse gas emissions from the United States (11.2%) in 2022. And we can do that now, without asking anyone!

Please boost it so more people can find out just how important citizen participation can is.

Take beef for example (see attached image): So, think about all those emissions that would be eliminated if we reduced our consumption of beef by 75%! And that doesn’t include the 26% reduction in water consumption, the 19% of land made available for other uses, and that instead of 95% cattle growth there would be a 75% reduction in the world’s cattle.

But even more than that, we would be eliminating greenhouse gases that are far worse than carbon dioxide. The below figure shows that methane (CH4 - 130 times more potent than CO2) and Nitrous Oxide (N2O - 300 times more potent than CO2) are highly concentrated in animal agriculture.

Don’t believe people can stop global warming? Then you should read my e-book https://www.amazon.com/PLANET-TOO-HOT-eco-conscious-mitigating-ebook/dp/B0CW1FNVJQ , find out for yourself how eco-conscious citizens can cool the planet by themselves and see my calculations below.

According to research published in Nature Food, 35% of all global greenhouse gas emissions are attributable to food production, "of which 57% corresponds to the production of animal-based food," including livestock feed… https://www.nature.com/articles/s43016-021-00358-x.epdf

UN Emissions Gap Report says “Global GHG emissions increased by 1.2 per cent from 2021 to 2022 to reach a new record of 57.4 gigatons of CO2 equivalent (GtCO2e)…” https://wedocs.unep.org/bitstream/handle/20.500.11822/43923/EGR2023_ESEN.pdf?sequence=10

So, if 35% of 57.4 gtons = 20.9gtons, & 57% of 20.9 = 11.45 gtons, then animal-based foods are, 11.45gtons ÷ 57.4 gtons = 20% of all GHG emissions.

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