Remember a month or so ago when I split my scalp open and got an ambulance ride to the ER and a CT scan and an EKG and some staples whacked into my head? The bill came.

It was $200.

Well, that was my out-of-pocket. The actual bill was $4,598.37.

Well, that’s what the insurance company paid by contract. The actual actual bill was $25,546.25.

It’s like I got a twenty-five grand bonus just because I have a job.

The American medical system is insane.

Still waiting on the ambulance invoice.

@gknauss That will be at least $2000 that you'll be responsible for. I don't think insurance covers ambulances anymore.
@Nuncio They did ask for my insurance information, so we’ll see. Someone called it the world’s most expensive Uber.
@Nuncio @gknauss i think mine was $1200 ~14 years ago, with insurance.
@gknauss I got you on expenses, just say the word
@codinghorror Thanks, man, but I’m good. I’m lucky enough to be a nerd who got into computers in the 80s. That was a sound financial decision.

@gknauss I don't talk about it much, but I have some pretty serious concerns about how the value of the medical industry is calculated.

Like, not to sound like I need to adjust my tin-foil hat, but... When insurance companies own hospitals and hospitals own insurance companies, what control in the metrics alone guards against a hospital "charging" itself a hojillion dollars for a procedure that is then covered nearly completely by insurance, just to make the service sound valuable?

@mark @gknauss or to work around the guaranteed 80% medical loss ratio in the aca and make much more profit?
@gknauss It should be well understood at this point that when it comes to US healthcare bills all the numbers are made up.
@gknauss And some people ask me if I'll ever move back to the US. To be fair, a decreasing number of people.
@gknauss Please note that if that exact thing happened to me here in Scotland I wouldn't get a bill AT ALL. Zero to pay. (Unless I was a visiting American tourist, and even then the bill would be a whole lot smaller than what you got hit for.)
@cstross Well, Scotland is a civilized country, save what you do to sheep’s stomachs and the pronunciation of consonants.

@cstross And to be clear, I only paid $200 out of pocket.

But under different circumstances — circumstances not of my own making — I could easily have been (literally or figuratively) bled dry.

The American system sucks.

@gknauss I fell on the ice in November, got a concussion and had 4 staples in the back of my head. Medicare paid for everything. I am still healing and am very thankful.
@gknauss It's pretty much hopeless without an intermediary like private insurance or medicare to negotiate--total market failure. And the reason we have this nutty system is a 1940s policy that made employer-paid health insurance premiums pre-tax, so it's a tax-advantaged form of compensation.

@gknauss

Thanking my lucky stars that despite the best efforts of our conservative, right-wing politicians this arrangement has not been set up in Australia - yet.

#auspol

@stuart_begg @gknauss not sure what you're thankful about, the current right wing government in "centre-left" clothing are continuing the previous government's job of dismantling Medicare, and at pace.

Bulk billing doctors are closing, procedures that were free before Labor came to power and now $100+. And, well, ambulances aren't free in Australia (upwards of $2000 in regional VIC) #auspol

@sortius @gknauss

It’s FAR from perfect, agreed. But it’s not completely fucked up like the USA … yet. And I’m far from blind to the shit-lite party’s shenanigans, either. The situation in Australia could be MUCH better, too.

@gknauss And anesthesia is usually billed separately, I think. We just got a bill from an anesthesia service, out of pocket just around $360 for an original billed amount of $3330
@gknauss Back when we had a kid one of the (many) bills we received from the hospital came without any insurance adjustments and was something like $60k. After that we just started waiting for the 2nd notice on all the bills because that gave the hospital & insurance company an extra 30 days to fight it out and figure out what we actually owed.
@gknauss yeah, that ambulance ride cost you $1,200. and most insurance won't cover. 'Merica! (I thought our taxes paid for the Fire Department)

@gknauss Also, insurance as good as yours used to be available to any USian who could afford it, regardless of their employer.

Not any more. Sure my insurance premiums dropped quite a bit, but now I've got a $9500 deductible, hardly any providers are covered at all, and even if I meet the deductible (which can only happen by using covered providers) they don't cover that much after that. Cool cool.

@gknauss I had an unexpected ride last week. Being in Canada, with public insurance, it might cost me $400. Probably nothing, but maybe $400.
@gknauss @lisamelton You have to pay for the ambulances too? Sorry this is nuts.
I would be dead years ago If I had to pay for hospital bills and weekly meds.
@gknauss health insurance has never been about health.

@gknauss I was present when an American presented themselves for emergency medical treatment in the UK. They kept trying to find out how much it would cost and how they had to pay, and initially had trouble understanding that these questions were irrelevant.

(This was a large number of years ago. I think at the time there was a difference between emergency and non-emergency treatment. I don't know what the rules are now.)

@gknauss @SharonCrockett The idea of there being an “invoice” attached to an episode of essential healthcare just boggles my mind