Joyce Vance: “This is a five-alarm fire. We know what the reaction would be if Joe #Biden tweeted a photo of a bound and gagged Donald #Trump in the trunk of an electric car. Why does Donald Trump get more leeway, especially with his past history? He only continues to get it because our institutions—the courts, the Republican party—let him take it.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/joycevance/p/we-need-to-talk-about-this?r=br61&utm_medium=ios

We Need to Talk About This

Today’s widely discussed Trump post on Truth Social isn’t just another instance of bad behavior. It’s not just a shrug of the shoulders and a resigned sigh of, “What are you going to do?” Far too often, people resignedly accept Trump’s behavior because they believe there’s no alternative. The zeitgeist is: We can’t make him stop, can we?

Civil Discourse with Joyce Vance

2/ ICYMI, via Steve Herman
@w7voa:

As noted by others the imagery reposted by Trump of a hog-tied Biden also appears to show a (bullet?) wound in the center of the forehead. US Secret Service, asked for a response, says it “does not confirm or comment on matters of protective intelligence.”

https://journa.host/@w7voa/112184985477356776

Steve Herman (@[email protected])

As noted by others the imagery reposted by Trump of a hog-tied Biden also appears to show a (bullet?) wound in the center of the forehead. US Secret Service, asked for a response, says it “does not confirm or comment on matters of protective intelligence.”

Journa.host
3/ Biden campaign spokesman Michael Tyler told CNN in a statement, “This image from Donald Trump is the type of crap you post when you’re calling for a ‘bloodbath’ or when you tell the proud boys to ‘stand back and stand by.’ Trump is regularly inciting political violence and it’s time people take him seriously — just ask the Capitol Police officers who were attacked protecting our democracy on January 6.”
@GottaLaff
The "but I love him" crowd has a lot to answer for right now.

@GottaLaff

Hey, it's #Harry #Dunn – former #Capitol #police #officer and current Democrat for Congress
https://c.im/@cdarwin/112180767891885630#

Chuck Darwin (@[email protected])

Hey, it's #Harry #Dunn – former #Capitol #police #officer and current Democrat for Congress. I've done a lot of tough things in my life, like most of us have. I played college football, tried to make it in the NFL and CFL. That was pretty tough mentally, physically, emotionally. There were many tough days in my 15 years of being a Capitol police officer. But the aftermath of the January 6 #insurrection was one of the toughest things I've been through. My pain, my trauma, it didn't end on January 7. The tough days continued, even when I testified in front of #Congress. But I did it, despite the death threats and constant barrage of attacks, because it was my duty not just as an officer but as an American. Tough things build character, and I credit the tough days that I've experienced for getting me to where I am today – mentally healthy and an outspoken advocate for our democracy, running to serve Maryland. Will you chip in $5 or $25 to me and Forward Blue to join my team of grassroots supporters who want to protect our democracy? >> https://forwardblue.us/l/eE7Qw8 Appreciate you, Harry 💙

C.IM
@GottaLaff
This type of behaviour is unbecoming of an adult, let alone anyone with the other labels he likes to apply to himself (i.e. candidate, president, parent, grandparent etc.) 😵‍💫🫨😨
@GottaLaff @w7voa It’s not even subtle: he’s asking some gun-toting MAGAt to assassinate Biden, either in the middle of 5th avenue or elsewhere.
@JonChevreau @w7voa But at least they’re very aware of it. I hope they act.
@GottaLaff @JonChevreau @w7voa Others would be taken aside and told to behave, or else. Seems the Secret Service is either scared or supportive of old Stinky.
@JonChevreau @GottaLaff @w7voa
I'm old enough to remember what Trump's government did to comedienne Kathy Griffin over a picture of her holding a prop of his decapitated head.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy
@GreenFire @JonChevreau @GottaLaff @w7voa Yeah, well #Republicans are heavily into hypocrisy, it's part of their creed, along with Christian hate and general toxicity, sadly.

@GottaLaff @w7voa As many have said before: Most of us would be in jail for thinking about doing this...

What will it take for the republican party to grow a spine, and put an end to this type of extreme redirick...??

@rlstone4dems Republicans ARE him. It’s not about spine, it’s about what they want. They WANT a dictator, full power, $$$, and they want to rid the US and the world of anyone “different” from them.
@GottaLaff @w7voa
Relax! It's just political speech! 🙄
@GottaLaff This is making me incredibly angry. Lock that crook up already!
@GottaLaff Even if he gets locked up, the group of people who love him and his type will still be there. It’s such a systemic and ingrown problem. 😕
@poe1178 Thank you for that. I tried to say that to someone last night and didn’t say it as well.
@poe1178
The expression you're looking for is 'Pandora's Box'. 😕
@GottaLaff
@Eetschrijver @poe1178 @GottaLaff
Time and societal pressure would help that attitude fade. The box opens in years and takes generations to close, but it can be closed.
@poe1178 @GottaLaff Ingrown like a hair or toenail ? Perhaps an aggressive surgery would excise this ingrown problem?
@GottaLaff Honestly getting to the point where I don't feel bad for the courts or anyone else powerful that he attacks. They've so badly abdicated their duties to hold him accountable that at this point I'm just going to assume they're OK with his behavior for some bizarre reason. Any of us would have been in prison long ago for this same behavior. This man is under 4 indictments and still moves freely around the country all the while the SEC allowed him to go to market with his obvious scam of a media company. In what world does someone who has 4 criminal cases and a proven history or financial fraud get to do that? Again, the powers that be seem fine with his behavior until they prove otherwise at this point. Am I wrong?

@onpubcom They’re not “fine” with it. I think they feel they have their hands tied: They don’t want to be reversed, they don’t want to create a martyr/more violence.

So they overcompensate by being ultra cautious. I think that should end now though.

@GottaLaff Thanks for the reply and I hope you are right!
@onpubcom That’s the consensus from the legal experts.

@GottaLaff @onpubcom
I remember a story in my local weekly about a college student who got a visit at her dorm room from a passel of #police in SWAT gear

They had a report about a poster of GWB with a noose.

She showed it to them. It was GWB w a noose for every person executed while he was gov in TX

We've come a long way 💀🤦🏻‍♀️

@GottaLaff

I'm glad that the talking heads are taking this seriously but what really needs to happen is for the Secret Service to follow up on every license plate in that parade, pay the owners a visit, find out if they own any firearms, and explain that threatening the life of a US president is not allowed and they'll need to surrender their weapons until after the election pending an investigation into their activities, and no, they will not be allowed to board any flights.

@GottaLaff The fact he is walking free is disgusting!!! Drumpf is a Domestic Terrorist!!!!
@otownKim Vance made that point, in her own way, and I’m so glad she did
@otownKim I couldn’t agree more
@GottaLaff He'll keep doing it until he, Donald, is actually bound and gagged, like Hannibal Lecter.
@GottaLaff He is a rapist but served no time. That is part of his history. Not surprising that he does this as well.
@ccdudley85 The rape charges were from a civil trial, not a criminal trial, so he would serve no time.
@GottaLaff He apparently does it habitually but does not get prosecuted.
@ccdudley85 Statute of limitations. Remember the 26 who came forward?
@GottaLaff He has gotten away with quite a lot. It forms his character.
@ccdudley85 He’s gotten away with a lot since he was a kid. That never changed. Daddy Dearest took care of that, kept him afloat, and taught him how to crime. He’s been openly racist since teh 70s at least. It only got worse from there.
@GottaLaff We already know Trump's reaction to an account pretending to be a judge's daughter posting pictures of him in prison. Lots of whining.

@GottaLaff

Definitely need to talk about this...

Or better, yet another lawsuit.

@xs4me2 She discusses more than just talking though

@GottaLaff

Sure she does...

Trump is a dangerous psychopath,
should never ever be allowed near any public office ever again. What could possibly go wrong...

@xs4me2 I am beyond sickened that he’s been allowed to get this far, and still run/hold office.

@GottaLaff

No words here basically, amazement, disgust, sickened, how on earth can any sane human being like or vote for this megalomaniac con man that only has one priority and that is himself and his ego... plain dangerous...

@GottaLaff
Fish gotta swim.
White man’s gotta offend; federally and otherwise.
Courts’ gotta… let them apparently?

@GottaLaff @GottaLaff @w7voa OTOH, most of those heavily-lifted, never-been-offroad behemoths we see driving around in WI towns and cities are just hauling about 48 cu ft of air anyways. Kinda like the space between their drivers' ears. So no surprise there.

Seriously - "air haulers" is the term most light truck salesmen call them. Anybody spending upwards of $80K on a pickup and still has the gall to say "Brandon'll never force me to drive an EV" aren't too bright.

@GottaLaff I don’t normally comment on much of this sort of thing, but, this is so disturbing and sickening that this makes me feel physically ill. This must be reeled in NOW. Wake up USA!
@mediocratese I’m right there with you
@GottaLaff I hope you’re settling in nicely. 😬

@mediocratese We haven't moved yet. May.

We just took a quick trip up here to look at a house... and that bombed.

@GottaLaff
Our news media has been derelict in their duty to report properly on his egregious behavior as well. Instead, if they bother at all, the manner in which they report it is very wink-wink/nudge-nudge/isn't that Anusmouth a naughty scamp!

Meanwhile they're very critical of Biden for his continued inability to walk on water.

@jstatepost

@GottaLaff

Honestly I think the conversations that need to be happening are between anyone still thinking this crap is macho and funny and anyone who still socializes with them in any way whatsoever. Cut these people off. Don't let them think this is funny or macho or a cute joke. Just walk away from them. And if you live with them, get out.

We need to cut off the toxic masculinity and any support for it at all. It's gotta stop.

@darwinwoodka Hard to do when half the country approves of them

@GottaLaff Nope, they don't, that's the real deal. We need to push this shit back in the dark corners where it belongs.And too many are unwilling to tell their "macho" types to can it already.

We don't have to raise or support toxic men in our society.