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Andrea Junker 
He betrayed our national security.
He compromised our elections.
He incited an armed insurrection to overthrow our democracy.
He will do so again.
He is a traitor.
Do not normalize Donald Trump.
Stjep@Strandjunker It is wild to me that he's still eligible to run for president.
But that I can live with. The thing that is utterly insane to me, is that there are over 40% (at least) of the US population that want to elect him.
I can understand a small minority approving of his rhetoric, be uninformed or just blindly partisan. But over 40%?
Trump, for all his bravado, has repeatedly and impressively proven that he is not only ill-suited for the job, but a horrid caricature of a human being.
Grassroots JoeI think we can split that up into at least three sets of people.
Cultists who want a dictatorship so that they can be elevated to a higher position in society by virtue of their cult membership.
Those who loathe Trump but see him as a path to things they want. This includes oligarchs and other business interests and some of the religious right intelligencia.
Finally lifelong Republicans who haven't yet figured out that it isn't actually the Republican party anymore.
A L Katz@Strandjunker Agree completely! Now, imagine if, instead of normalizing Trump for committing all those crimes, we actually prosecuted him instead.
Keith@Strandjunker and yet the better of the 2 choices presented. So sad...
72mz@Strandjunker
Let's not forget that he's also a criminal.
Let's not forget that he's also a criminal.
Dark Horse@Strandjunker
There were no arms in the Capitol on 1/6, and the videos show it wasn't an insurrection. You don't have to like Trump, but spreading blatant falsehoods does not advance your arguments.
There were no arms in the Capitol on 1/6, and the videos show it wasn't an insurrection. You don't have to like Trump, but spreading blatant falsehoods does not advance your arguments.
enoch_exe_inc@darkhorse1 @Strandjunker But the insurrectionists were, in fact, armed. While only a small minority brought actual (concealed) firearms, a hell of a lot more had knives, baseball bats, pepper (or bear) spray, and other miscellaneous items that can be used as weapons. The notion that Jan 6 was not an armed insurrection is both absurd and entirely false—and a very common Republican talking point.
Thank you for conceding they did not have firearms. Very odd choice for anyone truly trying to conduct an insurrection. Now if you’re truly a truth seeker then you also agree with me the public has a right to know if any of those instigating trouble at the capitol were in fact government agents, right? Let’s see all the facts.
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker Why would the CIA overthrow its own government and in such an outlandishly incompetent fashion?
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker Also, whether they were armed with firearms or not is mostly irrelevant; the fact is that they had armed themselves and entered a government building, something that wouldn’t fly in literally every other state capital in the world.
I have said from day one anyone who committed acts of vandalism or trespass should be punished APPROPRIATELY for said crimes. Now, as tasteless as they were 20 years in federal prison is the Constitutional definition of cruel and unusual punishment. Can we agree on that?
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker I can only agree on the fact that throwing people in prison for any amount of time is an especially cruel (though not at all unusual, given the millions of people in prison) punishment and should be abolished. Other than that, the prisoners are lucky to be alive. It is my understanding that, if you fail to overthrow the state, then the state has every right to make an example out of you.
Agreed, if you truly have committed violent insurrection. My understanding from reading coverage of several of the cases is that the multi-year federal prison sentences are not for insurrection, but "obstructing an official proceeding." The question of whether those charges are even valid is before SCOTUS right now. I agree with you that prison can be a very cruel punishment and the USA is the best in the world at locking people up sadly.
Now that's an interesting question my friend. It is not without historical precedent though, when false flags have been created by certain parties who needed to create a justification for a crackdown, or to create division in the populace. I'm not saying that we have all the facts, I am saying we deserve them.
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker It’s mainly the FBI (and other domestic law enforcement with Gestapo-like powers) that false-flag and divide America, and they mostly target minorities and the political left. It’s the CIA that does the questionable international stuff. It’s actually illegal for the CIA to operate domestically, but that obviously hasn’t stopped them from kidnapping and torturing people in secret prisons built all over the world.
Amen, on this we agree. These agencies long ago escaped from any Constitutional limits. I personally feel the assassination of JFK was the beginning of the end of our democratic republic.
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker It’s hard for me, a Canadian, to say when the decline of America began. But, to me, it’s always been the 1980s. The political turmoil of the 1960s and 70s were periods of social progress and cultural revolution (no pun intended), and the 1980s were the backlash against it, a backlash that has never really stopped.
Hmm, there's a lot of truth to that. It was a selfish time, the opposite of JFK's philosophy. It was liberals who spearheaded the free speech movement and now so many so called "liberals" want censorship. Everything has been turned on its head.
@darkhorse1 @enoch_exe_inc @Strandjunker Liberals also tend to be sympathetic towards (and will eventually side with) fascists. They equivocate the contents of someone’s free speech with the act of saying it, and in doing so, spread fascist propaganda without even knowing it. Which is the point of propaganda; if not to fool you, then at least to get you to repeat it for those who would be fooled.
Crow@darkhorse1 @Strandjunker Pull the other one. Idiot.
@Strandjunker trump is the destroyer of worlds
Michele Wilcox@Strandjunker
I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
Bytebro 🇬🇧 🇺🇦 🇬🇱@Strandjunker Yes indeed, but I'm not sure who you are preaching to in this place. Everyone here is pretty much 'in the choir'. If you have any ideas about how to bring that about *outside* of here, that would be great.
Arena Cops 🇺🇦✌@Strandjunker And also don't look away & normalize Trump's ideological, financial oligarchical puppeteering foster parents like the Kochs, Mercers, Leonard Leo & his other gynecologists of reactionary idiotic overthrow of the constitutional order & America's democratic system of government!
#RuleOfLaw #DefendTheConstitution #DefendTheUnion #DefendDemocracy #YourVoiceMatters #YouMatter #RaiseYourVoice
Vee@Strandjunker and more importantly Don't elect him. 🤣 👍