https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FQSFnZpsqw
Absolutely insane story of a Ukranian girl getting her face cloned & deepfaked into dozens of pro-Russian digital influencers on Chinese social media.
I fear this flood of AI shit is truly going to break the internet
@sonicJazzMonkey @Techaltar if they print the deepfakes, it won't matter.
And to have printed media, you still need a decent backing to be able to produce it, and sell it even at the bare minimum profit.
@sonicJazzMonkey @Techaltar actual news and news reporters are fine. The issue is those who aren't, or who mask themselves as them.
One hard debate that needs to happen is that states (IMO) should be responsible for giving news and information gathering and filtering, and how it clashes with society and authoritarian (or authoritarian-inspired) regimes using it to brainwash, or censor news for, their population.
You were trusting things you see or read online? And how is print media any better in this regard?
The only way to get through this era of total bullshit is to massively educate people so that they're capable of critical thinking instead of teaching them useless nonsense so that they can become better work slaves.
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I don't think education is going to be enough - I think we're going to need something like networks of randomly selected juries who meet face to face - with access to experts, and budgets etc, to provide a transparent mechanism for deciding what is true.
We have such randomly selected juries and expert councils over here in Germany. Politicians not listening to them is one thing (because they are bought out by the oligarchs anyway), but even normal people will more often than not doubt expert opinions, because some random idiot, who used to work as a car mechanic and now supposedly taught himself into being some authority in science via Google University, tells people populist bullshittery on a Chinese propaganda app or US NSA app. And those people believe what he/she/it says because it "sounds correct" or simply confirms their propaganda-driven bias.
All of this stems from education in all countries being about producing work slaves. Children are taught math, language, and so on - 80% of stuff they won't ever need in their further life - to get ready for their future work life instead of social skills, how to shape your opinion, how to work with information, how to question things, how to live with nature, and so on. Teaching kids basic skills to get around in this complex world without being deceived by some random fascist propaganda on social media etc. would be a lot more healthy and wholesome for society than anything you can do with adults, who never learned how to think critically. Just look at how many people are supporting Trump and the GOP in the US. Think those people will ever care about some jury or experts?
Sorry, no. These people are for the most part lost to propaganda, fake-news, and lies.
The least we can do, besides trying our hardest to save this planet for future generations, is to try fix the educational system in a way that will prevent our children from having to deal with the same percentage of idiots running rampant in their generation.
At least that's something which should be achievable, even within this shitty system we currently have.
And sure, I don't dislike your idea and would love to see it implemented for political decisions etc., so don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to discard your idea here. ๐
Are they run as citizen's assemblies?
These seem to be getting pretty good results in various places around the world.
This isn't expert-councils, this is 100-200 randomly selected people who can find their own experts. In Ireland they managed to break a never-ending deadlock over abortion rights, and wound up implementing policies that were a) what the general public actually wanted, and b) way more progressive than politicians would ever allow themselves to talk about.
It has been my experience that normal people when put into a jury stop being idiots and start behaving like intelligent humans. If you talk to people as though they're intelligent, you tend to get intelligence back.
I did jury duty before the Stupidity-Epidemic though. I would be interested to see how conspiracy theorists react in that sort of setting.
The closest I have come is volunteer work I did with Friends Of The Earth... about every 6 months a travelling circus would come round to give a talk - the Anti-Fluoride people. They tended to get ignored.
Do you have any more information about fact-checking juries or Citizens Assemblies in Germany?
Oh, both exist over here.
Citizen's assemblies exist on a national and federal level. Though the federal level depends a bit on how the federal states handles the decisions of the citizen's assemblies. I know my state doesn't have any citizen's assemblies, unfortunately.
On the national level, the theme-based citizen's assemblies naturally get more attention, but their decisions aren't compulsory or anything.
They are, in that sense, like expert-councils. They can discuss stuff and make recommendations, but it is up to the parliament to decide whether to adopt any of those ideas (mostly they ignore things since citizen's assemblies tend to choose things that go against corporate interests).
Just recently I read their recommendations about food in Germany and those were some pretty decent things.
This page should give you a first peek into it: https://www.buergerrat.de/en/
And yes, you're right. People are herd animals. So even if some conspiracy theorist gets randomized into such an assembly (and granted they decide to attend), I'd guess they'll act normally as long as the rest of the assembly treats them normally as well.
But I have no studies for this to back it up.
Oh! There was a lovely photo of Biden and Obama in snappy bright pink suits on TV yesterday. Do you mean it was fake too? What about the one of Trump wearing bright orange, cleaning the prison floor? Surely that was real.
Okay, maybe I shouldn't joke but all the time there are people like Occupy The Web telling us that AI is a good thing, people are going to think it's a good thing. So long as we take apart everything we read to find the actual truth.
It hasn't changed that much.
@Techaltar thanks for this, it's another argument I'll use to advocate end of universal access to AIs as here:
https://mfioretti.substack.com/p/the-only-thing-that-ai-tech-bros
(yes, I *know* it wouldn't block operations like this, but any little help would be good at this point)
This video is too well produced to be credible. There is something about it that seriously does not ring true.
And I have been playing with AI services for years, and have the IT credentials etc to credibly say "Yea, this is almost certainly happening, and at this point there is no point really in asking for links to the fake content, because it could just as easily have been produced as counter-propaganda to further muddy the water".
Which is a tactic - and yea, I agree that this flood of AI shit is going to break the internet. I think this video is part of that though.
itโs already over. The open and useful internet is now polluted and poisoned.
Is time to organised accordingly.
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