@FantasticalEconomics @rauder @turtle_green so what you're saying is that it's better to change from lead ammunition in the machine gun to lead-free ammunition than to just stop shouting your friends, family and neighbourhood with it?
#Capitalism is what's doing the damage. Tinkering with isn't going to stop it doing the damage; destroying the planet is intrinsic to its operation. We need to stop using it.
@simon_brooke @FantasticalEconomics @turtle_green
Simon, want to point out that it is something more basic that is destroying the planet than “capitalism.”
The Soviet Union, aka communists, were terrible for the environment. China has done & is doing terrible things to the environment.
They got rid of capitalism & still mess up the planet. So I think it makes sense to focus on solving other problems than getting distracted by simply attacking #capitalism & hoping everything will be green.
@rauder @simon_brooke @FantasticalEconomics @turtle_green Correct!
It's perfectly possible for people to do massive environmental damage under just about any economic system. Greed is perfectly possible with capitalism...and communism, and socialism, etc. It's perfectly possible for people under ANY of these to do environmental damage for their own enrichment. Capitalism doesn't demand it, or "perpetual growth", any more than any others do, despite common (and loud) claims to the contrary.
@simon_brooke @rauder @FantasticalEconomics @turtle_green
"greed isn't actually possible with #communism"
I'll have to add that to the collection.
"But yes, you CAN wreck the environment under any economic system, that's true. However, #capitalism requires it, which is unusual."
No, it's just false. Capitalism requires no such thing.
@AdrianRiskin @AlexanderKingsbury @rauder @FantasticalEconomics @turtle_green
This. The state, and property, are very closely coupled concepts. You really can't have one without the other.
@turtle_green @AlexanderKingsbury @AdrianRiskin @simon_brooke @FantasticalEconomics @rauder
This is an important point: “greed” in the sense of an impulse to self-aggrandize exists in every single human being, alongside a competing impulse to altruistically cooperate. We’ll never be “rid of greed” as long as we’re human beings.
But we very much can be rid of greed as an organizing structure our society.
@HeavenlyPossum @turtle_green @AlexanderKingsbury @AdrianRiskin @simon_brooke @FantasticalEconomics @rauder
You are talking about desire. To desire is to be human.
Greed is a pathological and sociopathic form of desire. To be greedy is to be an evil human.
At least that is what I understand those words to mean.
Simon Brooke
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