đť—– đť—” đť—§@jpaskaruk The "Anarchist" that you talked to was wrong and horribly misinformed. Anarchism is the absence of hierarchy and authority, NOT the absence of order and structure. Order and structure are necessary for any society to function. Without order and structure, without all of society being united under a shared ideological platform, an Anarchist society would become weak and be taken over by authoritarianism.
Neorat™ Ad #FuckYourZionistEthnostate@Radical_EgoCom To be fair, since Anarchism is very individualist there is no unified "anarchist viewpoint". He wasn't misinformed or wrong, just didn't go with the usual idea of anarchist society. @jpaskaruk
@jpaskaruk I mean, we have seen and still can see anarchist ideals in practice. Zapatists, Zomians, Kurdish revolutionaries to name a few. The hierarchical, cutthroat order we devolved into is the primary reason we're so barbaric. Because the people allowed to grab power will never give it back. For me, anarchism is the absence of said power and system allowing power hungry megalomaniacs to enforce their will upon others.
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Adrian Riskin 
@jpaskaruk @szczur @Radical_EgoCom Stories of a past that was not nasty and brutish are literal archeology. The "nasty and brutish" story was made up of whole cloth by Thomas Hobbes to support the emerging world dominance of capital. It's not based on anything factual, it's a religious dogma of the capitalist world-system. David Graeber and David Wengrow make this argument in painstaking detail in The Dawn of Everything.
@jpaskaruk @szczur @Radical_EgoCom It's worth reading, and not hard for non-experts, which is a rare quality in science writing. Enjoy!
But what does the KR have to do with anything? Obviously without violent hierarchy there's no KR. Do you think capitalism has any fewer victims? They're just hidden away better instead of having their skulls on display.
HeavenlyPossum@szczur @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom
Identifying social strategies that people have developed—and critically, implemented in ways that allow us to know that they work empirically—to resist hierarchy, authority, and violent self-aggrandizers should not be understood as “anti-technology.”
It’s a fallacy to presume that because something useful existed in the past, we must somehow “return to the past” in order to make use of it.
@HeavenlyPossum While I agree with you I find it very important to point out that anarchism is not an utopia people generally call it. It’s been there all the time. @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom
@szczur @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom
Anarchism certainly isn’t a “eutopia” in the sense of a perfectly good place, but it’s also not a “utopia” in the sense of an unobtainable ideal. A lot of people get the impression that anarchists believe anarchism is a panacea for all our social ills, but most anarchist thought is about *doing the hard work* to create and sustain anarchism while addressing conflict in the absence of coercive authority.
Belakor@HeavenlyPossum @szczur @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk @Radical_EgoCom I appreciate this description. It's probably the best one I've ever seen. My interactions with self described Anarchists usually involved a lot of hand waving on their part.
I do still worry that even with such a system in place some person(s) will attempt to exert authority. While I think most people could easily work within such a system, the narcissists will still plague our world. Maybe I'm just too cynical.
@nurglerider @HeavenlyPossum @szczur @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk
In an Anarcho-Communist society, social structures would aim to deter the concentration of authority through horizontal organization, fostering empathy and employing community-based therapies to address narcissistic tendencies. Deviations from egalitarian principles would be collectively managed through open dialogue and consensus-based decision-making, without the use of hierarchical enforcement.
In an Anarcho-Communist society, social structures would aim to deter the concentration of authority through horizontal organization, fostering empathy and employing community-based therapies to address narcissistic tendencies. Deviations from egalitarian principles would be collectively managed through open dialogue and consensus-based decision-making, without the use of hierarchical enforcement.
Catherine is not complacent@Radical_EgoCom @nurglerider @HeavenlyPossum @szczur @AdrianRiskin @jpaskaruk you know when you say it like that it makes me think of reeducation camps. It doesn’t appear to foster individuality at all.
@CatDragon
Anarcho-Communism obviously advocates for individualism, but there is toxic individualism, the kind of selfish, solipsistic individualism that dominates the modern world, that can't be tolerated. A shared ideological unity is necessary for not only an Anarchist revolution to be successful, but for an Anarchist society to be able to properly function and defend against all of its enemies.
Anarcho-Communism obviously advocates for individualism, but there is toxic individualism, the kind of selfish, solipsistic individualism that dominates the modern world, that can't be tolerated. A shared ideological unity is necessary for not only an Anarchist revolution to be successful, but for an Anarchist society to be able to properly function and defend against all of its enemies.
Solipsistic individualism really only seems like a problem insofar as a) some people are institutionally empowered to act on others on the basis of that individualism and b) some people are institutionally constrained from defending themselves against it.
Without those institutions, it would be much harder for anyone to behave that way without fear of consequences, and I suspect we’d see a lot less of it as a result.
@HeavenlyPossum @CatDragon
There would definitely be a lot less greediness and selfishness in an Anarchist society, but it would still exist, if not in small amounts, and doing nothing about it will only give it opportunities to grow.
There would definitely be a lot less greediness and selfishness in an Anarchist society, but it would still exist, if not in small amounts, and doing nothing about it will only give it opportunities to grow.
I’m not sure why “doing nothing” would lead to the growth of solipsist individualism. And we have a great many tools for influencing the behavior of other people beyond ideological education. I’d rather rely on trusty tools like ostracism and shame and conviviality than trust to ideological education (which the individualists could just as easily try to do to you).
@HeavenlyPossum @CatDragon
In an anarchist society, ideological education is crucial to prevent hierarchical structures and maintain decentralization. It empowers individuals to participate actively in decision-making, fostering shared responsibility and voluntary cooperation. This education also guards against the emergence of authoritarian ideologies within the anarchist framework.
In an anarchist society, ideological education is crucial to prevent hierarchical structures and maintain decentralization. It empowers individuals to participate actively in decision-making, fostering shared responsibility and voluntary cooperation. This education also guards against the emergence of authoritarian ideologies within the anarchist framework.
hapbt@hapbt @HeavenlyPossum @CatDragon It's not. An organized society built on free association with no hierarchy and ideological unity isn't the same as the hierarchical, compulsive institutions of governments.
Kevin Karhan 
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You sooner or later get that inevitably.
Regardless if Democracy, Syndicatism, Tribalism or Warlordism, you'll end up with structures of power and the need to enforce rules against the will of those that violate them.
And what are you gonna do then?
Obviously, you can't just banish people for very good reasons!
And even if you can you'd just offset the problem instead of fixing it!
@kkarhan @hapbt @CatDragon
In an Anarcho-Communist society, adherence to rules would ideally be based on voluntary cooperation and a shared commitment to communal well-being. Social norms, mutual aid, and decentralized decision-making processes could help guide behavior without relying on hierarchical authority. Peer pressure, education, and community dialogue might be employed to address non-compliance, emphasizing the importance of collective responsibility and the benefits of cooperation.
In an Anarcho-Communist society, adherence to rules would ideally be based on voluntary cooperation and a shared commitment to communal well-being. Social norms, mutual aid, and decentralized decision-making processes could help guide behavior without relying on hierarchical authority. Peer pressure, education, and community dialogue might be employed to address non-compliance, emphasizing the importance of collective responsibility and the benefits of cooperation.
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Again: Ideally we'd all have non-violent and supportive and cooperating individuals, but sadly that's not always the case.
And at some point #Accountability and #Consequences must kick in, because otherwise this would be an open invitation for the few that are violent aggressors to murder and pilferage...
@kkarhan @hapbt @CatDragon
In a truly decentralized society, collective decision-making and community solidarity can address issues without resorting to punitive measures or hierarchical structures. Punishment and punitive measures only perpetuate the oppression that leads to crime, not eradicates it.
In a truly decentralized society, collective decision-making and community solidarity can address issues without resorting to punitive measures or hierarchical structures. Punishment and punitive measures only perpetuate the oppression that leads to crime, not eradicates it.
@Radical_EgoCom @hapbt @CatDragon
Again: I don't deny your honest optimism and I do agree that abolishing capitalism and thus the incentive to own stuff would help, but sadly you have to account for people that don't want to follow the most basic rules and laws...
So what are you gonna do about those?
@Radical_EgoCom @hapbt @CatDragon
Spoiler: You'll inevitably create executive, legislative and judical power structures, no matter if you have public offices or anonymous plebs fill the ranks and positions...
What you actually want is #accountability and #consequences as well as #transparency and deliberate decentralization as per "checks and balances"...
Because at a certain point, someone has to make decisions and also at some point accountability and consequences need to happen.
@kkarhan @hapbt @CatDragon I've already accounted for everyone, including people who are the most averse to following rules. If someone is so horrible then they'll likely be kicked out of the community, but I don't believe that will need to be resorted to that much since the tactics that I listed above are efficacy enough to deal with most people.