a hopeful socialist@specked why won't the abolitionists support my apartheid state? So confusing! Show me the leftists that are literally saying "oh yeah I full heartedly endorse Hamas and their stated islamist ideology" oh wait they aren't. At worst, they're demonstrating a poor understanding of #InternationalRelations and downplaying their actions. Its still fair to acknowledge these actions exist in response to an ongoing campaign of oppression for which Israel is responsible for.
Martin Kostera@Old Major
apartheid state
Oh honey, learn basics.
Your "apartheid" in IDF:
#^https://libera.site/photo/109cecfe-5015-4f08-8ffb-ff42b3f53990-1.jpg
#^https://libera.site/photo/5f2f2c24-7584-4ff7-ac91-05a00dff97b6-1.jpg
#^https://libera.site/photo/a22d2219-af55-40db-84e0-2cb1bdd274fd-1.jpg
BTW, list of countries where communism worked:
apartheid state
Oh honey, learn basics.
Your "apartheid" in IDF:
#^https://libera.site/photo/109cecfe-5015-4f08-8ffb-ff42b3f53990-1.jpg
#^https://libera.site/photo/5f2f2c24-7584-4ff7-ac91-05a00dff97b6-1.jpg
#^https://libera.site/photo/a22d2219-af55-40db-84e0-2cb1bdd274fd-1.jpg
BTW, list of countries where communism worked:
@martin wow! I didnt know that these three pictures have single handedly ended the second class citizenship that Arab Israelis live through and also apparently repealed all the laws controlling Palestinian freedom of movement while ALSO dismantling all the illegal west Bank settlements. There's a law requiring all Israeli citizens join the IDF, so that would still apply to the Arab citizens...
@martin ...not to mention the roads that Palestinians aren't allowed to drive on, the disproportionate amount of Palestinians in prison or detained, the checkpoints they must pass through to go home or go to work
But I guess the UN is only right when it agrees with US foreign policy
Ramesh #NotGoingBack#Arabs stopped being "fellow citizens" when they rejected the peace deal after losing in 1948. And again, and again.
On #Oppression ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111586978798876855
On #FarLeft ideology see #BDSHorseshoe
>> 2nd class citizenship, laws controlling #Palestinian freedom of movement
I don't know which country you are from. Try doing there what #Hamas and Palestinians have done, and you will find yourself 2nd class freedom-less in no time. It's not #Israel, dude
HeavenlyPossum@[email protected] @rameshgupta @[email protected]
> “Try doing there what #Hamas and Palestinians have done…”
“The Palestinians” are not an amorphous and undifferentiated corporate body. One Palestinian person does not accrue responsibility for what another Palestinian person has done by virtue of belonging to the community of Palestinians. Just as Jewish people around the world don’t deserve anti-Semitism at all, much less on the basis of the behavior of the Israeli state, Palestinians do not deserve second-class status, violence, or oppression at all, much less on the basis of the behavior of Hamas.
But thank you for conceding that the Israeli state’s approach to the Palestinians amounts to collective punishment on the basis of membership in an ethno-nationalist group; that’s an important dynamic to understand.
Billiglarper@HeavenlyPossum @rameshgupta So you are saying that attacks on Israelis are inherently wrong? Finally something we can agree on.
Yes, attacks on Israeli civilians are as illegitimate as attacks on Palestinian civilians.
Helgi Crookehorne@HeavenlyPossum @rameshgupta @billiglarper all that Hamas ever achieve is enable extremists like Ben-Gvir who them call for the same as Hamas, carpet bomb everybody in there and such