My order of author copies from Amazon had several badly printed books, so I'm returning the bad ones with this note inside, heeding a warning by another author who said Amazon sometimes tries to resell damaged books. If you find one of these notes, let me know!
I got my first confirmation just now from someone who bought an Amazon copy and received my returned, damaged copy. Those bastards. What recourse do I have on this? How can this be prevented? It’s totally illegal, I’m guessing.
Of note: if a customer orders a copy from Amazon, and a damaged, returned book is shipped to them instead, no new KDP printing orders kick in. This means I don’t get paid at all, because they only pay me when a book is printed. They just stole all that money from me, on top of scamming a customer.
@joabaldwin Wow, that's so dirty, omg... I had no idea Amazon did this.
@joabaldwin Does this mean it may be better to buy the Kindle version to ensure that the author is paid properly? Not that I would buy physical books from Amazon anyway (expensive shipping and customs fees),
@jullan I get slightly better royalties on print, just a tiny bit better. These are likely rare cases since return rates are not that high, so I would not say that buying the ebook as a strategy would help.
@joabaldwin Not like I'd ever side with Amazon (having had like a 2 out of 7 books mangled ratio :D) but how do you know that particular one wasn't mangled in transit and it was indeed a reposted return? Do you as an author get detailed info for every order?
@ralesk because of the note I left in there.
@joabaldwin not really playing devils advocate here but the returned book, wasn't it refunded to the initial customer? Meaning they didn't actually make a sale?
@dragnucs yes, I was refunded for it, since I was the initial customer. But since I’m the author, when I buy an author copy it does not kick in a royalty payment when the book is printed (so when it’s resold to someone else I would not see a royalty at all). I still have to confirm that with Amazon support.
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If you thought I might've been too picky with the books I returned, here's the copy that Amazon resold after I sent it back. The pic was sent to me by the person who bought it and found my hidden note.
I got answers from Amazon. It's as bad as expected, and not sure there's anything to do about it. They sell damaged goods as new, and I will get no royalties for those sales. Fuck them forever.

@joabaldwin

Yea, typical #Amazon.
And I hate these multiple-choice "service" forms with no "other", no "free text" and no "email".

Then these things always send you and email with some kind of issue number but not quoting what issue you raised.
You are supposed to remember and only ever have 1 issue with 1 item at the same time.

@joabaldwin Sorry, Joaquin. This is extra shitty. :(
@joabaldwin Oh Amazon.....when you consider they started with Books and ended up like this. I'd say sell to a real bookstore but damn if those aren't getting more and more rare :(
@KellicTiger i had a run for a while where Amazon always seemed to ship minirly-damaged large format RPG books to me. Just constantly. It got better, but for various reasons I’m trying to reduce Amazon usage. (I currently have 4 things in my Parcel Deliveries in progrsss shipping from Amazon.)

@joabaldwin

"AMAZON BULLSHIT UPDATE CONFIRMED: THEY RESELL DAMAGED BOOKS

I talked to Amazon KDP support, and here's what they told me:

  • Yes, they resell returned, damaged books as new. This is normal. This is expected.

  • Yes, the book I returned was obviously cut to the wrong size, but no one at the warehouse would know that, so they'd let it recirculate. They don't have a system to check for weight/size of items to avoid those issues, and no one on the returns side spends time checking for damage unless it's blatantly obvious at first sight, like a missing cover.

  • No, I won't be getting a royalty payment for those damaged/resold books, because those books are not going through KDP but through the retail department now (because I ordered them as author copies, there was no royalty involved). They will take my money, and there's nothing I can do about that, and it's not their department so they don't care at that point, not their problem anymore.

  • If I want damaged books to not be resold, then I should not return them for a refund.
    Instead, I am to contact Amazon by phone or email (they don't provide either directly) and escalate the issue. There is no formal way to do this, I'm supposed to just open tickets and deal with extra support stuff, talk to a supervisor, provide evidence, and they can refund me for the bad books that I should at that point destroy (that's the claim; we'll see in practice). Since there is no email for the particular issue, they literally told me to open a ticket with any other department and they'll forward it internally.

  • Same goes for a customer who buys a bad book. They are not meant to use the
    "return damaged items" form Amazon provides, but instead try to find a phone number or email so that they can escalate and get a refund without offering a return (there is no obvious or official way to do this). Probably hours of work to get their $10 or $20 back.

  • They promised me they'd look into the damaged batch I returned and will let me know if they are found and destroyed instead of resold. I'm afraid they probably sold them all by now, however. I have not heard back from them in 2 days.

  • Fuck Amazon."

  • I'd say this is astonishing, but Amazon really does seem set on finding new and exciting ways of screwing people over, creators, vendors, and buyers alike. Regardless, thanks for sharing this.

    @porsupah @joabaldwin it may be normal but, you know, I think it's illegal.
    @joabaldwin Is there a royalty enforcement org for book authors that could help you, similar to ASCAP for music? Maybe the Authors Guild, et al, in the US
    @metaphase no idea. It's too much work for only like $50 bucks at this time, I don't have the time/energy for it honestly.
    @joabaldwin @metaphase if a path exists to show copyright infringement (by selling defective goods you’ve ordered them to not sell, or similar claim), the penalty jumps to $30k, 150k, or even $250k for willfully doing so.
    @joabaldwin While people are at it, I'd like to say: Fuck the "Addison-Wesley" publication, their books are in a terrible condition while new.
    @joabaldwin I hate Amazon. I hope the government breaks them up and destroys their disgusting business practices. Sorry you're having problems with your books
    @Jennifer @joabaldwin (looks at telecoms and other antitrust outcomes)… meh, I wouldn’t hold my breath for destroyed. Seems the only sure way to kill a huge brand is to hand it to a lunatic like Musk, Lampert, etc.

    @joabaldwin I got an Amazon gift card for Christmas and ordered a deluxe Bob Dylan CD set with it, advertised as new, and the thing was clearly used (beat-up, no shrink wrap, multiple tears and smudges and such). I'm getting a refund but no explanation or apology.

    It makes me wonder just how many types of items this is affecting.

    @joabaldwin why would it be illegal?
    @brophey they are selling a damaged copy as if it was new. Also, because no new print order is issued, I don’t get paid my royalty for the sale.
    @joabaldwin
    Don't ever buy a 'Certified Refurbished' product from Amazon as they're just re-packs of products that returned without a complaint of damaged.
    @noyes they are reselling these as new though, not as used or refurbished.
    @joabaldwin DaFuq … yeah probably ask a lawyer what can be done

    @joabaldwin Gather the responses and lawyer up for a class action civil suit.

    Bonus points if you can get news outlets to pick it up and hurt Amazons credibility and ego further.

    @joabaldwin that's pretty bad. Usually Amazon will sell returns as used and rate the condition (like new, very good, etc) to the consumer. But there has been one time where I ordered a new Apple branded phone case for my mom and the seal for it has already been broken. I'm not really quite sure how that happens since I've heard they go to separate Amazon return warehouses, but don't know for sure
    @joabaldwin Ive had this happen with CDs before!! I bought a Daft Punk CD from Amazon, and I was sent the plastic case for that album but with a completely different disk inside! And it was sealed in plastic! Checked the reviews, and it looked like someone else got that exact same one before I did! Unbelievable. Im so glad I stopped using Amazon.

    @infinanova Oh yeah, Amazon does no checking. I made 4 attempts to order the ReGenesis TV series DVD box, and each time was sent a box of Spooks instead. Apparently someone filed them on the wrong shelf, and despite me leaving a note that I'd received SPOOKS twice before and they should please check that it's REGENESIS, they kept making the same mistake.

    It's no use.

    @joabaldwin You should have signed the damaged copies themselves. Collectors items! Haha.
    @whyrl I was afraid of purposely "damaging" any copies and then Amazon rejecting the return and not giving me the money back :D
    @joabaldwin Good man! Though that's also rather underhanded, I didn't know that Amazon or others would do that, that's good to know.
    @joabaldwin Nah, don't worry, everything that's returned to Amazon goes straight to the landfill. Cheaper that way.
    @12thRITS nope, they do actually try and resell sometimes. The author I saw posting about this actually got the same copies she returned with the hidden notes months later, after ordering new copies.
    @joabaldwin Yep. Amazon does this. Good move.
    @joabaldwin
    those author copies don't say "this is an author copy you may not resell"? mine have this yucky line over the entire cover saying this (Germany here though).
    @kaia those are proof copies, not the same. After your proof is approved and the book is on sale, you can buy author copies at cost with no watermarks on, to sell on your own.

    @joabaldwin

    Being Danish, I don't know much of the hell that is Amazon. But they have set their claws firmly in Germany. I promised myself years ago never to do business with Amazon, and so far, I am keeping that promise.

    I know it's not easy in the USA. Particularly if you want to publish and distribute your own book. There are alternatives, but that would mean you would have to give up on convenience, market or profit.

    It's not easy. And I can't or won't tell anyone what to do.

    @joabaldwin

    All over the world, book prices have been a race to the bottom. On Amazon, an EBook isn't supposed to cost more than 1$. And many are used to physical books costing less than 10$. This won't leave much for author, printning or retail.

    But it doesn't have to be that way. I just got a book this Christmas, the Alien Role Playing Game from Free League Publishing. A book that costs 45$. Not a cheap book. But so very beautiful and high quality, both in content and in printing. I love it.

    @joabaldwin

    Sorry about now writing my third post about this, but it matters to me. I'm 46 years old, and one of the things I decided since my last birthday is that I don't want any more badly bound or printed books. My books should be a pleasure, not only reading the words, but also holding and opening the book. No more race for the bottom.

    I'm not a rich man, not at all, and I also use the library. But I want books on real paper, I want it on good paper, and I want it treated properly.

    @stensgaard yep, I get you. These are good quality when they are printed with no defects, but I’m still going to switch to proper offset printing once I have the readers and budget. And I’m planning hardcore beautiful special editions too, for later, with color illustrations.
    @joabaldwin people are overwhelmingly not principled. They will always support the juggernaut Amazon even if they said they kill children to keep prices down and not one wouldn’t still hit order now. Never support the juggernaut.