Luke Peltier
nixCraft 🐧They said by 2020, there won't be any IPv4 left, but the reality is..
LONG LIVE HERRSCHER OF SENTIENCE!@nixCraft They said by 2020, we would have flying cars...
Nuclear fusion technology has been 20 years away since 60 years...
@GNUxeava Right. Instead, we have a stupid LLM stealing artists' and writers' jobs. It can't do any scientific research and discover a cure for a deadly illness. Just shit show
Sterling@nixCraft
I heard the IPV6 mantra in the 90's
I heard the IPV6 mantra in the 90's
BlackSquirrelz 👾@nixCraft because ipv6 is just too complicated to use.
Øystein Viggen@nixCraft
..layers upon layers of rfc1918 + nat, but we've grown so used to it that we no longer recognize it as complicated.
..layers upon layers of rfc1918 + nat, but we've grown so used to it that we no longer recognize it as complicated.
Clemens aka data@nixCraft ..that everybody just uses private IPv4 and NAT because "IpV6 iS DiFfiCuLt!!"
Seth 🎙️
Feacher? I hardly know 'er@nixCraft 45 year old me hard disabling v6 on everything because it isn't reliable
Daniel
Luigi Rosa 
@nixCraft When I was working at an Italian ISP in January 1995 (not a typo) our Internet supplier (Telia) asked us to renumber some networks "because of shortage of IP addresses"
Technodad@nixCraft Having recently switched from an ISP that provided routable IPv6 address blocks to one behind a carrier grade NAT and no IPv6, I believe unreservedly that IPv6 was *way* easier. CGN + router NAT is a total admin sinkhole.
Oliver Vettra-Morrigan@nixCraft in fact the exhaustion was to assignable IPv4 address reserves but this not means the extinction of the protocol
Thinkaholic is 🐸 antifa@nixCraft I was on the NANOG mailing list last decade and it was a perennial discussion.
v6 booster: "v4 is obsolete! 96 more bits, no magic!"
Corp network admin: "How do I use DHCP to set default gateway and NTP server and DNS servers and...?"
v6 booster: "That's old thinking! You need to embrace the v6 way!"
Corp network admin: <sets another branch office up with RFC1918 addressing>
v6 booster: "v4 is obsolete! 96 more bits, no magic!"
Rinse, repeat....
Zalasur 🐸🇺🇦@nixCraft They said we'd run out of IP addresses by 1996, by 2000, by 2005, by 2010, etc.
savaran@nixCraft am I the only one who’s had working IPv6 for at least ten years now?
Thomas Schäfer
train@nixCraft When Amazon hits ipv6.. I will too.
Florian 'floe' Echtler@nixCraft I'm in this post and I don't like it.
🄯 CarlOS@nixCraft Just because there are no more IPv4 addresses to assign doesn't mean that IPv4 is not used anymore.
Julie's old account
Hella (old account)@eptesicurse @nixCraft
#IPv6 must be a complete new technology, Google Cloud began supporting IPv6 addressing for VM instances ... last year, 2022.
(Just found out, last time I looked it was only available with extra simulated network stuff as extra layer).
When I first heard about IPv4 and its modern successor IPv6 in a lecture about 25 years ago, I thought: How deep will I have to learn the old IPv4 stuff, in practice IPv6 will soon be used everywhere...
I was young and naive 😉
@unixwitch @nixCraft A mythical beast many speak of but very few have actually seen.
Magnus Ahltorp@nixCraft Shortage is not the same as total unavailability. IPv4 shortage has destroyed much infrastructure for more than 20 years.
Toshiro N.@nixCraft I haven't learned IPv6 yet, good to hear I have a few more decades
Xavier Ashe 
@nixCraft NAT all the things!
Dean Baguette@nixCraft I can go one better than that. About 30% of doctors offices still send or receive at least some of their documents by fax.
ethersniffer@Dean_Baguette @nixCraft lol, I work at an industrial manufacturing plant, we still have customers that fax orders in. We offer many other options, including web. But whatever the customer wants I guess.
atocci@nixCraft How haven't we run out yet and why is it still used? I don't understand the reluctance to move on.
Raven667@atocci @nixCraft we _have_ run out of unallocated IPv4 space, there is now just trading existing allocated space and reclaiming/consolidating devices behind NAT to ensure there are enough IPs for servers.
Market forces push for centralized servers and dumb clients, aka "the cloud", reducing the kind of communication relationships that can be had with normal IP service, making it impossible for any device to talk to any other device without a middleman extracting value somehow.
@nixCraft wish I was only 40 ✌️
manchicken moved!@nixCraft subnets and natting are the gateways to Infiniti!
Maybe the point of ipv6 was to reach around firewalls and leak.
Yuuka@nixCraft I think it’s a simpler reason they’re not in use, at least at home/office. They are way too long and are hexadecimal so depending on the individual hard to memorize.
2001:0db8:85a3:0000:0000:8a2e:0370:7334
Way to long
L29Ah@yuukayuuka @nixCraft The IP address is not for you, it's for your routers. Use DNS for human-usable addresses.
B Larson
Fabrizio T.@nixCraft
Yes, but we need to understand that the exhaustion of IPv4 is related to the mid-level of the IP supply chain, which means that the registrars around the globe would assign the last blocks of IP that they have on the ICANN database, but this does not mean that the IPv4 was disappearing sooner, as it is the bridge protocol between legacy systems and newer ones, and there are assignable numbers on NIC's around the world. Also, the DHCP and other protocols are extending the v4 lifespan over the years. So I think that the v4 will be there for a while
Yes, but we need to understand that the exhaustion of IPv4 is related to the mid-level of the IP supply chain, which means that the registrars around the globe would assign the last blocks of IP that they have on the ICANN database, but this does not mean that the IPv4 was disappearing sooner, as it is the bridge protocol between legacy systems and newer ones, and there are assignable numbers on NIC's around the world. Also, the DHCP and other protocols are extending the v4 lifespan over the years. So I think that the v4 will be there for a while