The Picard ManeuverNight vs Morning people
friend_of_satanHaha, bullshit
Morning people are courtious and quiet for the ones sleeping late. On the other hand when a night person has to wake up early, they’ll wake everyone else as well
I’m a night person but proper sleep only works at night so I had to become an early waking very quiet night person.
When s night person has to wake up early… What in the afternoon?
Appointments, travel, taking care of people. It can happen as society doesn’t adjust for night people
KeriKitty (They(/It))Maybe instead of being exclusively for one group over others, our society could kinda be for everycritter?
[Sarcasm, though not necessarily directed at the person I’m replying to] Nah, why would we want a liveable world when we can just demand that everyone be a damn automaton that exists to work all day.
grouches irritably, hates world
Yeah agreed. Flexibility would benefit a lot
wake up early
You failed the simple task of reading how descriptions work today.
Do I have a typo or something? English is not my first language.
I mean when a night person has to (for any of the variety of reasons) wake up at morning time
you can’t tell night from day and you think this is a language issue?
Oh fuck no, you should see the difference between me and my girlfriend when the other is asleep, I used to work night shift and she wouldn’t wake up when I came back at 4am even if we lived in a 500sq ft apartment, but she sure as hell would wake me up at 7 am by making breakfast and coffee!
TurboDieselI had a roommate that loved pour over coffee in the morning. That in itself isn’t the issue; she taught me how to use her V60 and it actually makes pretty good coffee.
No, the issue was she ground her beans fresh. Every morning, at 6AM. Know what the loudest sound in the universe is? An electric coffee grinder at 6AM.
fadingembersFuck that
Yea I’m quiet AF when I wake up early. The longer everyone else sleeps the more quiet time I get.
Why the fuck is this the most downvoted post lol? Did you all even read it, or did you count the score and prepare yourself for outrage? There’s literally nothing wrong with what was said. Night people struggle with morning behavior more than morning people. Sounds like a valid perspective, esp if this person lives with/is a courteous morning person.
Kneejerk reaction or something. I don’t mind. Maybe the voters were in a tired haze.
Morning people, in my experience at least, firmly believe that night people are just morning people with insufficient self-discipline.
mileyLmao, 100%. I swear most folks I know believe being a night owl is simply a lack of self control, or they have a screw loose
Swednecksure it’s a lack of self control, if i had better self control i could force myself to go to bed at 21:00 and lie there for 2 hours until i fall asleep out of tortured boredom, and then i could force myself out of bed at 07:00 despite my limbs feeling like lead and every movement bringing me abject misery and pain!
I used to be a night owl, then I had a job that required me to get up at 5:30. It sucked for 2 weeks and now I’m a morning person.
I had the opposite experience a few years ago, I am very much a night owl.
I did a job that required me in the office for 7am for a few months, I was noticeably less effective for the whole duration, I was just slower at everything and was basically constantly tired. Switched back to getting for 9-10am and the difference was night and day, but basically I was back to my old levels of effectiveness after a day or two.
I just think I’m one of these people that cannot adapt, or at least if I do, it comes with a cost.
I’m a night owl and even early morning acclimatization hasn’t helped.
There were a few months that I had to do 12.5 hour shift work where I had to be at work at 5:30 AM and I was miserable the entire time. It’s hard to adjust when your natural cycle is like 10 am to 2 am.
I’ve done all the shifts and it fucking sucks.
We did week about shifts. That meant earlies for a week, nights, then lates. Every week you had to change your sleep pattern.
I liked earlies to nights because long weekend (finish 11am Fri start 10am Mon) and a fun “adaptation” that required me to stay up as late as I possibly could on Sunday night. I’d drink, smoke and play games with US chums (UK here) until 3 or 4am and then sleep as late as possible.
It fucking sucked but I did it for a good decade. Then managed to wangle permanent 6-2 shift.
It was a revelation.
Suddenly I had a regular sleep pattern. It was hard to train, but I managed to get a good 6 hours a night most nights. Which was good, I’ve always suffered insomnia for lots of reasons, so I managed to become one of those people that survives on minimal sleep. More sleep was amazing.
I’ve kind of got it down nowadays, thanks in no small part to some pills I was given for my restless legs. They make me drowsy, so if I take them at the right time I can force a sleep pattern, and they stop me kicking my wife up the arse when I’m asleep.
Back to your point after a trip through the weeds, I now do 2 week late shift and 2 week early shift, there’s a permanent night shift at this new place.
When I’m on the early shift I wake up at 5am on the Saturday and Sunday without fail. Once I forgot to set my alarm for work and woke up a minute before it should have gone off. Years of the early shift have honed my wake up time to a knife edge.
Sometimes on the weekend I can’t get back to sleep for various reasons, so it’s not an uncommon sight to find me gaming on my PC at 7am on a Sunday morning. I don’t want to be there, but it’s kinda nice having the peace and quiet of being a night owl with the sun up and a sleep cycle behind instead of in front of you.
There’s actually a genetic bias on it. It can be overridden, but you’ll always feel a bit burnt out from it. It also changes with age (teenagers are the latest, getting earlier as you age.
As a night person who has to wake up at 6am, I can absolutely confirm. I’m always tired.
AmosBurton_ThatGuyI’m the same way. If I fall asleep at 10pm but wake up at 6am I’m absolutely miserable for the first hour, but if I go to sleep at 2am and wake up at 10am I’m refreshed and in a good mood most of the time. I’m 30 and it hasn’t gotten any better with age yet.
Fuck mornings I hate them so much.
The difference between those two is 8 hours sleep and 6 hours sleep. Next time you have to wake up at 6, try falling asleep at 12 and see what happens? You might be waking up from REM in one of those scenarios
44 and still this way 2am-10am is pretty much my dream schedule.
Unfortunately I have a child.
VeticiaI have to wake up early too. The good part is I don’t even remember the first hour of work and once I’m awake I only have to work for 7 more hours.
HolyhandgrenadeYeah no matter what time I go to bed, if I have to wake up before 8 in the morning I’ll be tired. I’m just not built for early mornings
icedterminalFor anyone curious about it, here are some sources.
Genetic Basis of Chronotype in Humans: Insights From Three Landmark GWAS
Chronotype, or diurnal preference, refers to behavioral manifestations of the endogenous circadian system that governs preferred timing of sleep and wake. As variations in circadian timing and system perturbations are linked to disease development, the ...
I had to get up at 05:30 during my teenage years to get to school in time, which was horrible. If I slept in, I could easily sleep til noon or even later. Now that I’m older, I usually wake up around 08:00, even on weekends.
Mossy Feathers (She/Her)Til I’m still going through my teenage years. I’m straight up nocturnal now. I wasn’t as a teenager.
MxM111I think I had never seen this much upvoted post on kbin. You speak the truth, brother/sister/sibling!
This wasn’t posted on kbin though.
Why don’t I see you calling out people who say “Lemmy” under kbin posts?
I will! Point me to them and my fury will STRIKE them down!
I said upvoted post on kbin. Not posted on kbin. I might be wrong, but I think I see only kbin upvotes and downvotes. Right now I see 6 upvoted and 1 downvote to the post you have replied. How much do you see?
Oh, I wasn’t aware it tallied the votes separately. Interesting and I apologize.
I only see the summary score on my lemmy client, not the amount of down votes and upvotes, but it’s way beyond 300 as of this post.
What’s wild is that you’ll see them get a night job, or have to stay up late on vacation a few times and they’ll be 100/10 miserable af. Never adapt to it, and still keep believing iTs aLl SeLf DiScIpLInE
Well what it ‘proves’ to them is that mankind is supposed to follow the exact same routine that works for them. My Dad was forever saying “Early to bed, early to rise makes a man healthy, wealthy and wise.” Died when he was 45.
Was he wealthy or wise?
He didn’t have a ton of money certainly. It’s fair to say he wasn’t a complete idiot but I think that even the example I’ve given so far argues against any claim to sagacity.
To quote Yakko Warner:
Early to rise and early to bed Makes a man healthy, but socially dead
DreamButteh, all my friends go to bed at like 9pm lmao
TBH, so do I. Don’t tell anyone.
My dad is still among us, even though I grew up with his take on it, loosely translated:
Early awake, early asleep. That brings health to every weeb.
It’s possible that he already translated it from English (your dad’s saying or an unknown variation of it), and that I’ve now translated it back to English, for each translation moving a bit further away from the original meaning in order to keep it rhyming. (I wrote “weeb” to make it rhyme, my dad’s version said “boy”.)
Grammaton ClericFuckin’ A
Part of that might be the amount of noise required for the tasks
I’m not sure what you mean
They’re saying that things you typically do after waking up tend to be louder than things you do before going to sleep.
Right to quiet enjoyment setting up a bowling alley in my living room in an apartment.
gmtomThen there’s my fucking cunt of a housemate who lkves on the floor above me that’s the loudest mother fucker on the face of the earth and fucking stomps around until 1am every night and opens and slams close every fucking draw and door in his room, and re arrnafes his furniture every night, then gets up at 6.30 in the morning so he can stomp around some more, hack up his lungs as loudly as humanly possible and slam every door in the fucking house before leaving for work exactly when my alarm goes off, specifically so I can’t have a single good night sleep ever.
Sorry I may have some pent up anger.
Sorry I may have some pent up anger.
Nothing a good night of sleep can’t solve!
This guy.
I think the two of you need to sit down for a little talk 😂
In my experience people who are this utterly devoid of consideration are not only unable to change, they will get angry at you for suggesting they’ve done something wrong.
I wish OP the best of luck.
Yeah. The only solution here is to move.
Yeah I can’t really describe it but this guy lives in his own little world. He’s a friendly bloke but just does not give the slightest shit about anything that doesn’t affect him personally.
When does he sleep? It is theoretically possible for this to affect him personally.
Same with the welfare parasite NEET one floor above me.