Ushi   Nov 27, 2023
David Revoy

Kicking Erwin Schrödinger out of my idols. Not because he chose a cat for his thought experiment, but because of one thing I learnt: he sexually abused children and kept a diary about it. 🤮 Src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Sexual_abuse

#schrodinger #quantum #physics

Erwin Schrödinger - Wikipedia

Nov 26, 2023 at 5:23pmWeb
Show threadMaltimoreNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy what an absolute shame!
Show threadCoralie RenéeNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy

What?

F... 🤮

How did you learn it?

Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@globcoco I learnt it thanks to a post (in French) by @etcetera
https://framapiaf.org/deck/@etcetera@c.im/111470362386014100 , I then told them in PM about my intention to relay the info not as a boost, but with a cartoon. The reason: I had a scenario for a future episode in draft with a big reference to Schrödinger's cat experiment. I immediately put it to trash without regret.
et cetera (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image Le nom de Erwin Schrödinger évoque probablement pour vous deux choses : 1) l'éminent physicien et philosophe autrichien, connu dans le monde entier pour sa célèbre équation de fonction d’onde associée à l’état d’une particule. 2) son expérience de pensée imaginée « le chat de Schrödinger ». Mais il y a une troisième chose à connaître sur le personnage et qui est, consciemment ou inconsciemment, cachée sous le tapis, y compris dans la communauté scientifique : 3) Erwin Schrödinger était aussi un prédateur sexuel et un pédophile notoire !🤮 🇫🇷 https://trustmyscience.com/erwin-schrodinger-predateur-sexuel-selon-enquete-recente/ 🇬🇧 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger#Sexual_abuse #schrodinger

C.IM
Show threadCoralie RenéeNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy @etcetera

I really love your ethic David.

(J'irais le lire).

Show threadCoralie RenéeNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy @etcetera

C'est effectivement à vomir !

On l'a jamais inculpé ?

Show threadLaurenç TrobatNov 26, 2023
@globcoco @davidrevoy @etcetera
En même temps, Matzneff s'est, pendant des années, fait publiquement une gloire de coucher avec des très très jeunes filles et ça passait comme une lettre à la poste dans l'indifférence générale.
Show threadCoralie RenéeNov 26, 2023

@laurenstrobat @davidrevoy @etcetera

😡🤬🤮

Show threadLes capsules du prof LutzNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy eh, thanks for ruining my otherwise perfect Sunday 😕

Geez, this passage from Wikipedia is disgusting:

he stated a "predilection for teenage girls on the grounds that their innocence was the ideal match for his natural genius"

Show threadpsickingNov 26, 2023
@lutzray @davidrevoy the citation in the German Wikipedia article is longer and even more disgusting...
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023

@lutzray Yes, disguting. I learnt it yesterday and then I couldn't believe most of the biography I read or portrait on video put that big part of his life to silence. Even the French Wikipedia page doesn't mention it ...

Btw, sorry for the bad 'sunday timing'. I couldn't hold this info I learnt yesterday evening, I had to make a a drawing about it to reflect about it. Schrödinger cat box is so pop culture. I saw it on so many meme...

Show threadLes capsules du prof LutzNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy it's just one more name on the list of famous physicists who didn't know what to do with their dick...

https://www.natgeotv.com/za/special/genius-albert-einsteins-theory-of-infidelity

https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/surely-youre-a-creep-mr-feynman-mcneill

Does celebrity induce sexual predatory behaviours? And is it specifically 'male'? (I doubt it).

Sadly, I won't ever know the answer 😏 I'm too old to become famous.

GENIUS ALBERT EINSTEIN'S THEORY OF INFIDELITY

By Patrick J.Kiger For The Physicist, Monogamy Was A "Bitter Fruit" As he detailed in his letters, Einstein over the years developed a complicated view of male-female relationships. In a June 1953 letter, Albert Einstein tried to console a female frien

Show threadJL RobersonNov 27, 2023
@lutzray @davidrevoy And even so, could have been even worse.
Could have been (shudder) Schrodinger
Yeez
Show threadTobias DenkingerNov 28, 2023

@lutzray
I would not consider sexual relationships between consenting adults (as in Einstein's case) predatory.

If another partner assumes exclusivity of the sexual relationship, this is still morally questionable, but not "sexual predatory behaviour".
@davidrevoy

Show threadTomTooMNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy l'article en français, ne semble pas y faire référence.
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@tomtoom Oui, mais je vois quelqu'un⋅e sur la tâche depuis 18h57 https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger&action=history , et un gros merci pour ça si iel nous lit 💜.
« Erwin Schrödinger » : historique des versions — Wikipédia

Show threadRicardoNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy Celebrate ideas, never people: people tend to have many bad ideas beyond the few good ones for which they have become famous. Schrödinger is a good example of that: he was a horrible person.
Show threadErwin Ernst eest9 SteinhammerNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy Oof, this makes being named after him a rather grim topic from now on :c

[Edited because I got too many replies]

Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023

@eest9 Oh no, I'm sorry for you. 😔

I don't think that information was publicly available until quite recently. I watch a lot of science videos and I've never heard of this.

A friend recently told me something about this kind of thing: when a band, a personality, a character has this thing, it's a new death for them. You were named when the clean and brilliant reputation was still alive and only info available. I hope you'll be able to keep the positive aspect of this name.

Show threadErwin Ernst eest9 SteinhammerNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy I hope so. I'll probably tell the origin story of my name far less in the future and exclusively with a note in regard to this.

Yes, it looks like the oldest mention is a biography from 1990, and it wasn't widely recognized until 2021, when more information about it came public?

Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023

@eest9 I don't know. Pages like the French one on Wikipedia doesn't even mention it...

[edit: Someone added the info to the FR wikipedia page 10min ago, thanks! https://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Erwin_Schr%C3%B6dinger&action=history 👍 ]

« Erwin Schrödinger » : historique des versions — Wikipédia

Show threadPablo RrrrrrrNov 26, 2023

@eest9 @davidrevoy Well, you can always go with Rommel.

😏

Show threadErwin Ernst eest9 SteinhammerNov 26, 2023
@pablor I indeed share the same first name with him, but fortunately I wasn't named after him. @davidrevoy
Show threadPablo RrrrrrrNov 26, 2023
@eest9 @davidrevoy Just kidding, of course. You can always do like American Southern lawyers and call yourself E. Ernst.
Show threadAlex L 🕊 🇵🇸Nov 26, 2023

@eest9 @davidrevoy

If it can help:

*Erwin* Chargaff was the one who made the most important contributions to the discovery of DNA (coincidentally, confirming Schrödinger's hypotesis that the genetic information must be stored as an aperiodic crystal). Chargaff was overshadowed by Watson, Crick and others because he was very cautious about genetics, he compared genetic engineering to nuclear physics and the atomic bomb: we shouldn't mess with Nature at its very hearth.

1/2

Show threadAlex L 🕊 🇵🇸Nov 26, 2023

@eest9 @davidrevoy

A great scientist with strong ethics. Still today, most of his books are only available in German, just to stress how much he was boycotted, compared to the glorified Watson and Crick.

2/2

Show threadErwin Ernst eest9 SteinhammerNov 26, 2023
@alxlg Doesn't really help since I'm not named after Erwin Chargaff 😅 But it's good to know, that there are still probably good Erwins out there 😂 @davidrevoy
Show threadkristen rappNov 26, 2023
@eest9 @alxlg @davidrevoy why not tell people you were named for Steve Irwin? if anyone points out it's a different spelling, just look horrified and tell them you need to leave to call your parents immediately
Show threadPepper1700 Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy C'est répugnant. Et le pire c'est que je suis certain qu'une vaste partie de l'humanité n'en a rien a foutre. 
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@pepper1700 Oh oui. Le gars est décédé en 1961, et ça refait surface dans sa bio Wikipedia (en Anglais, toujours pas en Français d'ailleurs) seulement récemment. Comme si les infos était sortie du néant après 2021. Il y a du avoir de longs silences pour protéger un héritage de réputation et de grand homme de science... Dégoutant.
Show threadElzenNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy Bon, je note d'ajouter une remarque ou une note de bas de page là-dessus quand je m'occuperai de retravailler le chapitre de mon 2e bouquin de vulga où j'explique ce que c'est que cette histoire de chat ><

Merci de l'info !
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@elzen Coucou. Ha oui, utile. Mais je ne pense pas que je tiendrai rigueur à quiquonque d'être élogieux avec l'homme comme ces infos sont encore (et c'est surprenant alors qu'il est mort en 1961) très fraîche. Peut-être dans cinq ans d'ici là si ça ce sait plus, ça sera un peu plus problématique d''être élogieux.
Ici, j'avais un scénario en cours très "Schrödinger-centric" avec Pepper qui demandais à Carrot d'inviter ses potes pour faire une expérience avec boites, potion et marteau. Poubelle.
Show threadElzenNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy Dommage pour le scénario, ça aurait probablement été très fun, mais ça se comprend, oui…

De mon côté je parle surtout du chat parce que c'est difficilement contournable dans un chapitre sur la physique quantique, mais je ne m'étais jamais intéressé au bonhomme lui-même. Ben je crois que je ne le ferai pas tellement plus, du coup…
(D'ailleurs, pour la petite histoire, il n'est même pas le premier à avoir proposé cette expérience de pensée, Einstein avait publié presque la même un peu plus tôt, mais avec un baril de poudre qui explose ou pas à la place du chat, donc c'était moins vendeur.)
Show threadCarl Schwan Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy 🤮 I will put him in my list of famous child abusers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_petitions_against_age_of_consent_laws#Signatories_to_the_January_petition
French petitions against age of consent laws - Wikipedia

Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@carlschwan Thanks for maintaining this Wiki page, difficult topic. 👍
Show threadCarl Schwan Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy I'm not maintaining it, it's just a list of famous french intellectuals who signed a petition against the age of consent and many of them were involved in child grooming :(
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@carlschwan Oh no...
Show threadIvan Sagalaev Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy man, this is dark :-(
Show threadMathieu Lam Son LeocmachNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy FYI, there is also a lecture room named after him in ENS Lyon. I've heard rumours that renaming was underway. At least people are advised to call it "the main physics lecture hall" in order to avoid the now infamous name.
Show threadJulien SalortNov 26, 2023
@LamSon @davidrevoy it is now named “Amphi Physique-Chimie”. It’s been renamed some time ago now. There was a discussion whether we should find another physicist name, but the consensus was against it and favored just “Physique-Chimie”.
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@juliensalort @LamSon 👍
Show threadStemyNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy La liste des personnalités adulées qui s'étaient comportés comme des crevards est affreusement longue. Je crois qu'on devrait séparer l'artiste de son oeuvre, parce que si on se met à jeter les réalisations de toutes personnes qui ont été unsafe, ça risque d'être une hécatombe.
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@stemy Tu as raison. Reste cependant le dégout qui donne moins envie de citer sous forme de pop-culture humoristique l'expérience du chat Schrödinger; un projet que j'avais pour les prochains épisode de Pepper&Carrot mais qui va être réecrit pour le coup car j'ai plus la motiv de faire des éloges indirectement au bonhomme après ça.
Show threadWeyoun 6Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy I'm pleased to see more people learning this. People who have been spreading this information are a small but growing group.
Show threadGen X-WingNov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy If you go dig just a tiny bit there’s an awful lot of terrible things to find about a lot now dead famous people.

Several famous authors had terrible sides, as well as scientists. The movie industry is completely filled with horrors.

Not saying your reaction is wrong, quite the opposite. Just saying it’s sadly pretty easy. :(

(I think you would make a pretty good political cartoonist. But I quite enjoy your work in general.)

Show threadStemyNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy À la lumière de ces révélation, peut-on dire qu'on l'apprécie et ne l'apprécie pas en même temps ?
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023
@stemy 👏 👏 👏 , Touché !
Show threadLamecarlateNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy Oumf. I knew about it (I learnt it recently), and it's so, so painful. « Jamais de héros » is my motto, but it's difficult to maintain.
Show threadDavid RevoyNov 26, 2023

@lamecarlate Oh yes, difficult to follow this motto that I understand perfectly!

(But then my brain starts exception for Pratchett, Bowie, Toriyama, Loomis, Tsukasa Hojo, etc... etc... 😆)

Show threadFilip 🌱 🦀Nov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy holy fuck, had no idea, that's absolutely disgusting
Show threadPatrick Johanneson 🚀 🇨🇦Nov 26, 2023

@davidrevoy

wait what

Jebus wept.

Show threadScott CarlsonNov 26, 2023
@davidrevoy Thanks for this info. I will try to never refer to him again. Maybe I'll only ever call it the "Quantum Cat" experiment?