While I'm glad Trump's criminality and corruption is coming into focus, I also hope that doesn't cause us to ignore his terrifying, deadly level of incompetence at being president. This is the man who urged the public to prevent COVID by injecting bleach.

@mattblaze I strongly agree that he was criminal, corrupt, and incompetent, but so far as I can tell he did not in fact ever urge the public to inject bleach.

(He _did_ urge his scientific advisors to investigate whether injecting disinfectant might be effective against COVID-19. Which is a stupid idea, and even if it hadn't been a public press briefing wasn't the place to raise it. But it was definitely "someone should investigate whether this works" not "the general public should start doing this", and I think the distinction matters.)

@gjm Nope. He made that statement publicly and prominently, undercutting non-crackpot measures.

There is no way to defend this.

@mattblaze @gjm

This. Stop trying to rationalize truly fucking abysmal behavior, actions, and malfeasance.

@NosirrahSec @mattblaze I'm not trying to rationalize it. It was irrational and stupid and dangerous. It just wasn't the _specific_ irrational and stupid and dangerous thing that Matt said.

I am very much in favour of reminding people of the awful things that Donald Trump has said and done, and of the awful things he is likely to do if elected again. I think this will be more effective if we only do it for awful things he actually has said and done, both because it's better to tell the truth than not and because it's bad to give his supporters an excuse to respond with "no, he didn't do that" _and ignore the fact that he actually did something similar which was also very bad_.

It's exactly a year since Trump suggested using bleach to treat Covid

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It’s been exactly one year since Trump suggested injecting bleach. We’ve never been the same.

It was wild in the moment. In time, it came to symbolize the chaotic nature of the presidency and the early Covid fight.

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@artemesia @NosirrahSec @mattblaze Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see anything in that article that says anything different from what I've been saying.

Here's the opening sentence of that article: "One year ago today, President Donald Trump took to the White House briefing room and encouraged his top health officials to study the injection of bleach into the human body as a means of fighting Covid."

Which is exactly what I said he did. And yes, it was stupid and irresponsible and dangerous (which is also what I've said throughout this very strange discussion).

What the article _doesn't_ say, because it isn't true, is that Donald Trump urged the public to inject bleach. And that's all I've been saying.

@mattblaze He did indeed say it publicly and prominently, and it was stupid. But he didn't say that the general public should inject bleach.

I'm not saying it wasn't stupid and dangerous. Only that it wasn't "urging the public to inject bleach".

@gjm Yes it was. Poison control centers had an uptick in people ingesting and injecting poisons after he said this.

But sure, nitpick my choice of words. You are clearly a very smart person.

@mattblaze There was an uptick in suicides across Europe after Goethe published "The sorrows of young Werther" but that doesn't mean he told people to kill themselves.

It's not nitpicking to say that it's better to say true things than false things. There are quite enough _completely true_ terrible things one can say about Donald Trump without needing to say false things as well.

@gjm Wow, you sure are invested in nitpicking my choice of words.
@mattblaze @gjm
Hey Matt see if you can get this guy to claim Trump never suggested shining bright light inside the body.

@gjm @mattblaze a competent person that genuinely believed they were making a useful suggestion might’ve put those bizarre ideas forward in private. A competent person would know that asking questions like that publicly would cause desperate people to try it.

While I normally applaud people fighting disinformation this isn’t helpful, because while what Matt said is a simplification it’s not incorrect.

@gjm @mattblaze It's really not worth arguing what Trump does or does not say when he's off-script.

Go back, read the transcript or look at video of the statement. What he said was meandering and incoherent. He didn't tell people to drink bleach and he also didn't direct anyone to research cures. He just made word-shaped sounds for a few minutes while everyone smiled and humored him and tried to pretend the President of the United States of America wasn't rambling like he was in line at a casino's noontime buffet.

This was a man rambling on about something interesting he read and barely remembered, like people do when they don't know what they're talking about at all but feel compelled to say something. He has an extremely nasty habit of doing that: just stringing words together and letting other people figure out the meaning. It's why people so often interpret his words differently: because he has the conman's gift of never actually saying anything of value, never taking a concrete position that could be disproven, and rarely even getting to the point.

The words that come out of his mouth are Schrödinger's sentences when he's off-script. He rambles like my grandfather at the dinner table, only we didn't elect my grandfather to be leader of the free world for awhile (thank God).

I wish we hadn't elected someone like him instead, because it's four years we ain't getting back.

@gjm @mattblaze
I wanted to stick pins in my eyes after your fourth post. Did Goethe do that too.
@gjm @mattblaze he did set off that idiotic horse liniment (whatever it was) thing, which actually caused deaths .

@colin_davey @mattblaze Ivermectin. Which is actually a drug used for people as well as horses -- to treat parasitic worms and the like, for which it works really well.

So far as I can make out, the most likely reason why some scientific studies suggested that ivermectin is helpful against COVID is that they were done in countries that have a lot of parasites, and if you have COVID _and_ worms then treating the worms makes it less likely that the combination will kill you.

There was enough evidence for ivermectin that I think a reasonable person could have believed it to be useful against COVID-19, even though I'm pretty sure it actually isn't unless you've got worms. Needless to say, Trump is not a reasonable person and did not say what he did about ivermectin as a result of having looked at the scientific evidence and come to a rational conclusion.

I don't think anyone died _from taking ivermectin_, but probably quite a lot did because they thought they didn't need to get vaccinated because they could just take ivermectin if they got the Plague. And yes, some of that's on Trump. I think he probably killed more people by not being vigorously pro-vaccine than he did by advocating ivermectin as such.

@mattblaze
OK , he didn’t say bleach , he said disinfectant. It took two minutes to find on YouTube.
What a moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAauiLx3AvQ

It's exactly a year since Trump suggested using bleach to treat Covid

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@mattblaze wondering why there's no criminal charges against that

@mattblaze "Politician" & "plague" both start with "p".

No one proves the correlation of them better than Donald J. Trump.

P.S.: I didn't even mention Trump's Russian "p"-tapes....

#RuleOfLaw #AccountabilityMatters #JusticeMatters #SaveLives #ProtectThePeople #DefendTheConstitution #DisqualifyTrump

@mattblaze , bleach, light bulbs, horse wormer, and above all, don’t wear masks… yeah, he’s killed millions and so far, like his Fifth Avenue brag, hasn’t lost any voters. I’m assuming he’s killed the voters who believed him.
@mattblaze It's a good thing he was incompetent. Had he been more able and motivated, he would have done more damage.

@mattblaze How do we separate his criminality and corruption from his incompetent performance in office? They were all the same package.

Grifters and scammers are all the same deep down...using false promises, connections and/or threats to get what they want, because they lack the skill and work ethic to do it honourably.

@mattblaze isn't he the one that pronounced the names of the nations of Nepal and Bhutan as "nipple" and "button?"

Or am I confusing him with some other spray-tanned moron on Fox?

@mattblaze What I can’t comprehend is that so many Republicans support him. There are candidates that are just way more competent than him that can do the job better than him. They also have way more decency in their bodies and can behave politely. Still they support the baffoon criminal indecent candidate.. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️