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evacideYou may be wondering why I'm salty about data privacy in cars all of the sudden:
https://therecord.media/class-action-lawsuit-cars-text-messages-privacy
Pierre H.@evacide wait what now?!
iximeow
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@[email protected] @[email protected] here i was thinking maybe there's some kind of reasonable utility here but, > Berla’s software makes it impossible for vehicle owners to access their communications and call logs but does provide law enforcement with access, the lawsuit said. lmao what the actual fuck
Andy Buckley
Matt Palmer@agbuckley @evacide we're past the point of needing a non-creepy cover story. It's just out-and-out surveillance capitalism now.
RuggledomeThe lack of privacy is part of the reason I've switched over to using an ebike. I don't trust car manufacturers with this kind of info.
My camera shoots fascists@evacide
And we all know that the auto execs have this disabled in their own vehicles.
Someone needs to write a techno thriller about hacktivists surreptitiously reenabling this, collecting all that data on car execs and then using it to expose all their crimes, dox them, humiliate them, blackmail them into publicly supporting laws that ban all data collection from vehicles. It would be a great plotline for explaining to everyday people all the different ways such data is abused and can hurt them.
tootbrute
Baron Vonskinnback
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The novel "Gridiron" (1996) by Philip Kerr is a 1970’s disaster-movie genre thriller set in a new-build skyscraper. A building whose corporate owner's flagship supercomputer has pwned every electronic system in and around it, in order to kill off all of those pesky meat sacks.
The novel "Gridiron" (1996) by Philip Kerr is a 1970’s disaster-movie genre thriller set in a new-build skyscraper. A building whose corporate owner's flagship supercomputer has pwned every electronic system in and around it, in order to kill off all of those pesky meat sacks.
davidnewman
husbandpanda 🐼
Zimmie@davidnewman @evacide @apple It’s more that it doesn’t apply to CarPlay directly because the CarPlay interface is rendered as a video on the phone which is played on the screen in the car. The car just gets the video, and potentially whatever it records Siri reading or you saying.
Older car/phone interaction standards let the car download a copy of your contact list, call logs, messages, and so on, which you would then navigate using a UI provided by the car manufacturer. No matter what phone you have, the UI would look the same. Most modern smartphones still offer to send this data to the car if it asks, otherwise they wouldn’t integrate with older luxury cars, for example.
This does give some interesting color to car manufacturers’ reluctance to offer CarPlay and/or Android Auto.
ABT554I don't think that matters much because as soon as you connect your phone to the car it shares the decryption key. Otherwise connection would make no sense because you couldn't read your messages yourself in the first place.
Michael Gemar@ABT554 @davidnewman @evacide If that’s so, I can’t imagine Apple is happy about this wholesale data scraping — their brand is built significantly on caring about privacy.
@michaelgemar @ABT554 @evacide
Even though I’m a longtime fanboi
Even though I’m a longtime shareholder
Even though I admire the declaration that “privacy is a fundamental human right” on Apple’s website
I have to wonder about the depth of Apple’s commitment to privacy where business relationships are involved. The company just declined to renew Jon Stewart’s show in part because he wanted to cover human rights in China.
@davidnewman @ABT554 @evacide I’m a fanboi as well, but I think Apple primarily sees privacy as a right for its *customers*.
@michaelgemar @ABT554 @evacide Apple has many customers in the PRC – not so much for them.
Kenneth@evacide Has the insurance industry figured out that traffic analysis (bundled with lower premiums, say) would be to their benefit?
klausfiend has moved@evacide oh god damn it so much
Aaron Longchamps@evacide we need more control of our data. Full stop.
Sean RileyImplications for rental cars seems big.
James M.@evacide wow. This is seriously dystopian and fascist. Thanks for alerting us.
Mael Duin
DartzIRL@evacide This is why I like my old Mazda
Just enough tech to have a decent stereo, reliable EFI, and stability/traction control that works and can be turned off
Not enough to get in the way of driving the thing. And nothing that cant be fooled with a decent laptop (P0420 ignore, ignition dwell change to use Chevy truck coils, RPM limit >9000 etc.....)
PS Jen@evacide We never hook our phones up to our car.
"Many car manufacturers are selling car owners’ data to advertisers as a revenue boosting tactic, according to earlier reporting by Recorded Future News. Automakers are exponentially increasing the number of sensors they place in their cars every year with little regulation of the practice."
"Many car manufacturers are selling car owners’ data to advertisers as a revenue boosting tactic, according to earlier reporting by Recorded Future News. Automakers are exponentially increasing the number of sensors they place in their cars every year with little regulation of the practice."
Dieu@potatosandwichjen @evacide business idea: ai-powered app that automatically fills a burner phone with bizarre garbage for car manufacturers to sell.
Alexander KarnI’m trying to learn more about this. This article mentions an app/tool that can be used to see and delete any data collected by your vehicle.
You have to provide the vehicle identification number (VIN).
No idea if it’s legit.
Bart Champagne ON6BC 
@evacide
Somehow I'm extremely happy with my 13 to 20 year old totally offline car park.
(Saab ftw !!!)
Somehow I'm extremely happy with my 13 to 20 year old totally offline car park.
(Saab ftw !!!)
Kevin Karhan 
@evacide Personally I want my cars stupid and incapable of spying on me as a matter of principle.
A car is a tool and has no legitimate business snitching on anyone!
JiSe@evacide Adding all of these features to the cars now (or in the last 10 years) probably means that in a few years we will see such a horrible shit show when Car companies can monetize their old fleets, without fucking over their new car buying customers.
John Coates"Beginning in ... 2014 infotainment systems in Honda's vehicles began downloading and storing a copy of all text messages on smartphones when they were connected to the system..."
Having dealt with Honda, I'm not at all surprised.
Dan GoodinPlease save some of your salt for the deadbird platform, Eva.
Virginia S. O'Possum@evacide Seriously considering throwing a lot of money into my 14-year-old not-smart car to just keep driving it.
Atirut@evacide This has to be bullshit, right? How can they get away with something so scummy?
Vee@evacide whaaaat?!
xanatax 🐰@evacide … by riding in this vehicle, you consent to the EULA, and Privacy Policy?
NiceMicro
The Turtle@evacide the next time Melon Husk has a tantrum, millions of cars could potentially brick.
Word.
Julia :v_bi::therian:
HinaBeans@evacide maybe I shouldnt yell at my shitbox Suzuki for not even having a computer for the engine as much anymore
Gavin Sheedy
JeffIf you'll excuse me I'll be in the garage wrenching on my Beetle.
Kevin Freitas@evacide Sounds like it’s time for a new law here in WA. Citizen state initiative, anyone?
Coho@evacide
Even tho the heater quit working, and im sitting on springs, im eternally grateful to my 1993 four cylinder ford ranger pickup, with the roll down windows, and CD player, for maintaining my privacy.
Even tho the heater quit working, and im sitting on springs, im eternally grateful to my 1993 four cylinder ford ranger pickup, with the roll down windows, and CD player, for maintaining my privacy.
Ron Starman@evacide
This is absolutely nuts!
This is absolutely nuts!
@evacide If the automakers are recording *calls*, why isn’t this illegal wiretapping?
DJ Fragile Toolchains@evacide say what! 😱