Those of you who have a #SmartHome, what are your use-cases for smart plugs?

Most of my electrical things aren't just on/off.

I've got a light, a fan, and an electric blanket which can be controlled from the plug.

Other things (like TV, kettle, etc) need interaction after the power is turned on.

Have you found any good uses for #IoT plugs?

(Not interested in rants about security & privacy, thanks.)

Additional question!

Does anyone make a PowerLine Ethernet adapter which also has #IoT functionality?

I'd like a smartplug which didn't rely on WiFi, Bluetooth, ZigBee etc.

(Again, not here for your "just run Ethernet everywhere" hot takes.)

@Edent

I've checked the usual places for such an item and drawn a blank.

You could check with Solwise (solwise.co.uk), but I think they have discontinued selling HomePlug / Powerline adapters.

Perhaps they could have a lead on what you are seeking though 🙂🤷‍♂️

@Edent do you mean a PowerLine Ethernet adapter which can turn on and off its through plug? I looked at TPLink (it’s how I’ve done my house), and the innovation they had (which I would like) is the status lights and pair button are now on the front.

Alas, no control over the plug in the Ethernet over Power solutions.

@Waf yeah, that's what I'm looking for.

I'm going to have to build this myself, aren't I?

@Edent i don't know how 'smart' it is, but you might want to take a look at X10 - it can be done all-wire, IIRC?

Edit: they don't sell wired computer-to-powerline adapters anymore, but they're still available on eBay - https://www.ebay.com/itm/380283910366

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@Orb2069 interesting!
Sadly, I live in the land of 220V - so I think our electricity would cause that model to release the magic smoke.
@Edent turning on / off my video conference setup. Keylights, desk speaker and a Canon camera on a shelf that’d be hard to reach.
@Edent my son is using a radio plugged into a smart plug. With a IKEA button, he can turn it on, and with automation, it will automatically turn off after 45 minutes. He uses this when going to sleep.

@Edent I have a group of things that are all used together, but plugged into different outlets.

I have 3 smart sockets all bound to a single wireless switch to turn them all on/off together. (the group could also be turned on/off via voice, but I never do...)

@Edent My main use case would be more easily shutting down fully system to save energy (ie ensure the TV?players/streamer etc) are disconnected at night, but am not sure if the extra power consumption from the smart plug wouldn’t cancel the savings out.
Other use case would be running a dehumidifier on. schedule.
@fabienmarry @Edent a dumb timer plug could probably do that quite well if you have a regular schedule
@edeverett Schedule varies, I need easy overide, and have v limited space.
@Edent Christmas lights - we want them on all day while they're up, but not when we're trying to sleep. An old schedule plug would do the trick, but this lets me change my mind if we're going to bed early.
@Edent only for a simple desk lamp that I’m afraid I’ll leave on.
@Edent I'm using it to power up 3D printer. So it starts and I can immediately upload gcode.

@Edent Two good usecases
1) Dumb Filter Coffee Machine
a) Turns on when the alarm clock is pressed
b) HA sends a notification if the machine isn't switched off (Ie hasn't been filled with water and coffee) in the evening

2) Boiling water tap. 4l thermal store -
a) I use the smart switch for load shifting so that we fit within the inverter power limits.
b) Switches off if we're out of battery at the end of the day, refilling off-peak
c) Switches on/off during saving sessions

@Edent turning on the electric blanket from downstairs is the best use of a wifi plug but we also have one on a heater. But it's interesting, I wouldn't think of it as a 'smart home' thing

@Edent turning on/off all 6 lights in my living room from one remote control; turning on my cat webcam if I’m unexpectedly away from home (and rebooting it if it crashes); controlling a cheap cat food dispenser to feed my cat when I’m away.

I’m also thinking of getting some for passively monitoring energy consumption of individual appliances (I already use Open Energy Monitor on the consumer unit feeds, but it would be nice to separate out some of the high power appliances on the ring main).

@richardloxley
Looks like I also need to buy a cat!
@Edent or just test the security of IOT devices by feeding other people’s cats ;-)
@Edent I have them for two floorstanding fans. In the best traditions of English architecture, my flat is freezing in winter but sweltering in summer.
@Edent Interesting question. Radio-controlled plugs are sufficiently useful for remote light switches. And my wife can also use them without a cs degree.

@Edent I'm 50/50 between using smart plugs purely for energy monitoring, and for actual power-control (things like video call lighting in my office where the light is slightly out of reach from my chair, or for preventing parasitic draws from things like my gaming PC when I'm not using it - multiple monitors in standby + RGB LEDs on the motherboard is an absolute waste of energy).

I also have a couple of ikea zigbee plugs which I only use to extend my zigbee network

@Edent Mostly for fans and lamps which aren’t otherwise ‘smart’ — my setup is all Matter and Zigbee, and Nanoleaf don’t do bulbs small enough to fit some of the Ikea table lamps (LAMPAN) I have.

Also power monitoring for some things (overengineered home network; big desktop, which gets occasional use for games)

@Edent if you don’t already do this, you could consider using them the same way I use my “dumb” remote power plugs.

I took some time to figure out how to split my electrical devices into always on vs. power saving, and use the dumb remote power switches to turn off all the “power saving” devices at night/while I’m away.

I used a bunch of extension cords to collect like devices under one controllable socket, and made sure that had adequate surge protection.

@Edent Lamps, mainly. I also have one on my PC to reduce standby power usage automatically with some Home Assistant bits, and some on the recliners we have to stop my young kids messing with them.

I use Tasmota smart plugs[1] with energy monitoring, so I can get pretty graphs out as well.

[1] - https://www.mylocalbytes.com/products/smart-plug-pm

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@Edent I use plugs from LocaBytes running Tasmoto mostly for the energy monitoring capability rather than switching stuff on and off.
Was very refreshing to find a piece of technology that just worked out of the box (gives a web interface for the data)
Other than that, like many other's who have replied it seems, it's the boring answer of (Alexa voice controlled in our case) lights.
@sxa @Edent agree on the Local Bytes plugs being awesome. I want hardwired versions for other appliances too
@Edent lamps, desk light, TVs, fans, security cameras, kettle, air fryer (to shut it off totally), crock pot, humidifier, space heater (timer to turn off), curling iron (ensure it’s off), keeping power tools charged but not over charged, smart power strip with PC/Monitors on, Christmas lights …
@jp2e
But apart from that…?
😄
@Edent Mine are just for turning lights on and off, but I'd consider a smart plug that monitors usage and could send a notification when it drops, for example.
@Edent no use for energy monitoring plugs, but lots of 'dumb' remote switches here. Use cases:
* Radiator valves to control heat distribution, (technically these are inline relays, not integrated into the plug...)
* Table lamps to provide timed lighting
* Fish tank lighting to provide day cycle
* Gas boiler on/off (see also radiators)
* Outdoor lighting control
* Xmas lights!

@Edent Strings of lights around the kids beds, plugged in under the beds where the sockets/switches aren’t accessible.

Also have a smart switch on the hallway light which is great, because it turns itself off fifteen minutes after it’s been turned on. Would kill for Gira-compatible smart dimmer switches, but they don’t exist ☹️.

@Edent I considered getting one to manage my greenhouse cabinet. It has two fans that are on 24/7 and two sets of grow lights on timers. Ultimately found a (clunky) non-IoT solution though.

@Edent
1. Turning on/off the TV in sync with the AVR, because HDMI-CEC is a sh🤬tshow.

2. Restarting the EV charging wallbox when it's crashed, without walking into the garage.

3. Timer for the Christmas lights = stairs lighting, with a manual override option.

@Edent I have:
- several lamps
- heated blanket
- AirCon (preset to temp we like)
- 3x 3D printers
- Several fans
- My monitor
- TV (for the power monitoring to see if it is on or off)
- Phone charger (for the power monitoring to see if it is on or off)

@Edent - The only good 🔌 smart plug use-case for me has been 💡 lighting.

Only have 🛋 lamps and light sets attached but have set up various 🔀 routines and groups for different situations.

Aside from lighting, can't think of any other devices I've had connected to any smart plugs. 🤔

Found them *really* good for 🎄 Christmas lights - Alexa skill routines can include seasonal sound effects and speech. 😁

@Edent - Have also set all my 🔌 smart plug routines to confirm/reply with;

“Compliance”

To live out my 🚀 #FlightOfTheNavigator fantasies. 😉

@Edent the plugs at home are for lights, audio/video equipment 'hard standby', camera's and fans.
I have considered plugging some between devices where I do not need switching, but could use the plug to measure power usage
@Edent my office radiator. I've got the plug and a temperature sensor plumbed into Home Assistant where there's a thermostat that turns the plug on/off as necessary.

@Edent we have a dehumidifier that is on a smart plug so I can schedule it. I used to have an electric radiator that was on one, with a separate motion sensor so it would only run when I was in the study.

Also my display and thunderbolt hub are plugged into one so I can turn that on and off without going under the desk.

@Edent

I have some devices that need to be rebooted periodically and use smart plugs to do the needful remotely

Eg camera on PoE powered WiFi in chicken coop down the garden. If WiFi there is down I reset via plug (in the basement).

Likewise for any device that hangs and is guaranteed to do it while I'm away (Zgemma PVR eg)

Latest Tapo plugs give v nice displays of power consumption and cost (price data is shared automatically between them).

@samueljohnson now I want a chicken coop!
Can I see a feed of your hens, or is it local only?

@Edent The chickens (9) have 4 cameras

1. On the nestboxes (any eggs to be collected?)
2. Above the automatic (https://chickenguard.com) door (any locked out? Or all locked in? Uncommon but can happen).
3. In the run (or in box w electric hen if eggs hatched from incubator)
4. Outdoors, covering much of their enclosure under a small orchard

My elderly mother who grew up w chickens loved to see them on a tablet when I visited but no public feed, sorry.

All part of the surveillance economy. 😉

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@Edent Don't buy Sonoff stuff. The app is a horrendous gewgaw (advert filled carnival) and if you don't login regularly you'll have to set things up all over again.

@Edent I’ve my mains-powered surround sound speakers and sub on smart plugs, which turn on/off together from the master plug that powers the TV. So I say “hey dingus, turn on the TV” and three smart plugs clack in to life simultaneously. I find it better to have all the stuff turned off to save power - 3 smart plugs use less than 0.5w, compared to approx 10w if the speakers are in standby.

I also have a smart plug running a heater in my garage, controlled to turn on when the ambient temp is below 10c. Temp sensor is a Zigbee unit from Sonoff.

All controlled by Home Assistant.

@Edent I use a wifi plug on a hifi amp plus sniffing hdmi on my tv so the amp and speakers turn on and off automatically with the telly. I also use one to have a nightlight on a timer.
@Edent
Use them not so much to turn on things (kettles, toasters are a waste of time...) but shut them down completely while I'm sleeping as many objects keep drawing power even when off, TV, phone chargers for instance. So off at bed time and on just before I get uo
@Edent Christmas lights. Turning on an IR panel heater when the temperature of a Zigbee sensor drops.
@jackmcconnell @Edent oh yes, I forgot about the Christmas lights, we have those on a smart socket too.
@Edent my old stereo amp is plugged into the tv, but draws about 35w when idle. Home assistant pings the TV IP and turns on the amp when it’s on and off when it’s been off for 5 minutes.
@Edent and Christmas lights!
@bencc @Edent Off the top of my head:
-Powering up the antique LaserJet when CUPS sends a print job, then powering down after 10 minutes at idle power.
-Using power consumption to provide visual notification when the kettle/washing machine finish.
-Turning heaters and lights off when there's nobody in the room.
-Power-cycling the microwave at 13:01 every day so the hilariously bad (drifts by several minutes in a week) clock stays accurate.
-General monitoring of various items' power consumption, fed into rrdtool for graphing.
-Lazy control of fan heater from the other side of the room.

I've also got assorted Shellies, smart sockets and smart bulbs doing mildly clever things with ceiling lamps.

Some of this stuff became seriously useful when my partner was recovering from hip surgery. Control of heat/light from bed, automatically turning the bathroom light on when I was emptying the commode, etc.

@kim's partner here... @Edent @bencc

The automated lighting makes a huge difference to me (admittedly has extra PIR tech). I have arm impairments and have found not having to 'reach for light switches as much' helps hugely.

I'm also part-vampire (migraines) so being able to dim lights from a web interface is brilliant.

During surgery recovery I could turn the lights & fan heater on/off without having to reach sockets/switches and risk falling over (which would have been v unsafe for me).

@NatalyaD @kim @Edent PIR operated lights are the best. We’ve solved that with hue but being able to have the landing light come on automatically at low brightness at night is so helpful. I love the microwave hack too.
@bencc @NatalyaD @Edent It's an objectively terrible microwave, which in spite of its rusting habit seems disinclined to fail in a manner that justifies replacing it with a less terrible microwave. I'm impressed that anyone can make a digital clock that's so bad.

(Obviously nothing will compare to the Circa-1986 Sharp that I inherited from my gran, via a decade of being stored in a damp garage. That was bulletproof, ergonomic, really good at heating things at low power, and used the mains frequency to tell time.)
@kim @Edent @bencc tbf the Microwave hack is a pain in that the time on it is now wrong before 1pm or if we've been out. I just ignore it's clock for something else reliable.
@Edent I live in an area where a storm can affect the power grid, so I have an automation that charges a power bank when there is a storm alert. That way if the power goes out I have some backup to charge the phone in case of an emergency.