Mastodawn

Something folk may not know about Mastodon is that some apps allow for you to add new accounts, so you can fluidly switch between them. 'Tusky' is an example of this. That way, you don't need to move to a new server, nor change anything to your existing Masto account, when you join one. Perhaps that helps those folk writing in saying they'd like to join https://collapsible.systems/about, but worry they might have to move entirely.

Collapsible Systems

Collapsible.Systems is a research node to collect and share knowledge relating to the Collapsible Project (see https://wiki.collapsible.systems).

Mastodon hosted on collapsible.systems

Garth Kidd Sep 2, 2023

@neauoire Collapsible’s tardigrade rule reminds me of your black and white avatar rule. I swear I once read something smart about why to do that, but regret I can’t find it.

Devine Lu Linvega Sep 2, 2023

@garthk that's often called the m&m rule too
https://www.inc.com/tom-gimbel/the-significance-of-van-halens-brown-mampms-rule.html

The Significance of Van Halen's Brown M&Ms Rule

It's one of the most legendary stories in show business to make sure that people are on their game.

Inc.

Garth Kidd Sep 2, 2023

@neauoire ikr and that was definitely part of it. Not sure it was the whole thing but what a useful tell.

http://resiliencemaps.org/

Billy Smith Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver

One useful reference source:

Resilience Maps - Simple Critical Infrastructure Maps

@BillySmith Definitely! That needs to go in the wiki.

Billy Smith Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver

Getting in touch with Vinay and Lucas would be a good idea.

They have done a lot of background work on this, so have a lot of information sources already. :D

Vesna Manojlović Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver what’s the difference from Approporedia? https://www.appropedia.org/Welcome_to_Appropedia

Welcome to Appropedia

Welcome to Appropedia, the sustainability wiki! We help build rich and sustainable lives by sharing knowledge, experiences, ideas and more.

Appropedia, the sustainability wiki

@becha Less focused solely on sustainability solutions and howtos, rather also resilience strategies, community driven disaster planning and response, mindset, organisation and preparation, food and infrastructure fallbacks, etc. Great resource that one though!

gittaca Sep 13, 2023

@JulianOliver Why not add each of those categories to existing wikis?

Have you considered the risk of further splitting the community with yet-another-resource? I know that roll-your-own is emotionally more satisfying than contributing to something, but please review this example: https://chaos.social/@schmidt_fu@mstdn.social/110909201495692306

Instead of the community aggregating around 1 or 2 tools, each of those Foraging Maps died its own slow death or at best remains minimally useful but incomplete. @becha

Florian Schmidt (@[email protected])

@[email protected] Yes, and it seems they cannibalize their entries, too. Nothing much found in #FallingFruit, because Germany is well covered in #Mundraub already 🙄 I asked the maintainer of FallingFruit: if we find good tree datasets from cities (free for foraging usually), they can be imported in bulk. Some effort in mapping is needed, though.

Mastodon 🐘

AlexanderMars Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver Collapsible Systems sounds like the refrain for a punk song!

cuan_knaggs Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver resource. categories: solar power, low-tech, obsolete tech ~ https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2023/08/direct-solar-power-off-grid-without-batteries/

Direct Solar Power: Off-Grid Without Batteries

Using solar panels without backup infrastructure makes renewable energy production much more affordable, efficient and sustainable.

LOW←TECH MAGAZINE

@JulianOliver http://webseitz.fluxent.com/wiki/UnCivilizationTechnology

Bill Seitz Sep 1, 2023

Un-Civilization Technology

WebSeitz

Vayl Larkin (they/them)Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver Will you have any engagement with folks off-server? I use disabled.social and since that's where the majority of my activism lies, I'll remain there. I don't have quite the spoons to maintain two accounts. I will mention a project my partner and I have been involved with, which is collecting hard copies of media and information for future use, if the internet is part of a collapse. Highly recc used media to build your collection. I found the Foxfire books once for only $40! :)

Aurora 🐌Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver Hi Julian, I just read about your project.
Could you tell more about it?

Eva Chanda Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver
Very interesting and worthwhile project. My one quibble is with the pessimistic name—why not Resilient Systems?

@echanda Things that are collapsible, like tardigrades, are resilient :-)

SiobhanVohn Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver Check out Ben in Germany, who is experimenting with what a post climate-catastrophe community looks like. https://www.thebarracks.de/

and @simon_brooke in Scotland thinking about how we avoid catastrophic climate change and ecocide, and how we build a good society.
https://www.journeyman.cc/blog/pages-output/phone-links/

and @thecommongreen in Scotland, campaigning for quality of life
https://commonweal.scot/

The Barracks.de

How do minimise the time in collapse? What can we do to assist the rebuilding effort afterwards?

Self-sufficient Homesteading | The Barracks | Germany

aethervision Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver Punksteading.

@JulianOliver can I contribute to the wiki without joining the server?

I distribute edible perennial native seeds for plants that are pest resistant and whose crop isn’t sensitive to freak weather. East Coast NA, zone 9-6.

I am also contributing to #ClimateChangeGardening to find and share solutions for home produce in the changing climate.

@jblue That sounds amazing. For now we really want to ground the project in community, with the wiki abiding to the rules of membership of the Mastodon instance. What you can do though is create an account, and then in an app like Tusky, 'Add Account', so as to be able to fluidly switch between your mastodon.world account, and that of collapsible.systems. Nothing lost, much gained :-)

@JulianOliver @jblue if you're ok with people joining the mastodon server and leaving the account fully dormant and unused as a way to sidestep this requirement, which seems to be what you're suggesting to people who ask, then why bother making it a requirement at all? it's not like having an extra Mastodon account with you makes it any easier to enforce the rules. the additional sign-up steps and cognitive load of maintaining the extra unused account seem like an unnecessary barrier to entry.

@JulianOliver @jblue gotta admit, I went from "oh cool I might contribute to that" to "oh hang on, what? that seems like busywork" pretty much instantly upon hearing the weird sign-up requirement.

@gsuberland @JulianOliver I was thinking that if I reblogged certain posts/threads to the collapsible instance, Julian would know to add it to the wiki. Not everything I post from this account (mastodon.world) is relevant to collapsible wiki.

@jblue @JulianOliver seems like a hashtag would suffice. or a PM.

@gsuberland @JulianOliver I think with hashtags, that puts a heavy burden on Julian to follow many different hashtags and comb through a lot of chaff.

I think PM is also not such a great idea bc there is no wider discussion. If I post something about permaculture or a specific plant in zone 8/9, I want to hear from others how well it works from someone in zone 6. I can reblog a post and Julian can see the replies from other growers.

@jblue @JulianOliver I guess? but why make that mandatory for everyone if it doesn't fit their workflow? like, just... let folks post stuff to the wiki if they want to contribute. make the mastodon server optional.

@gsuberland @jblue We'll give it a go as is, build both community and wiki with Masto instance as campfire, roundtable. If folk want to contrib they will sign up. That seems to be happening. It's really important that the terms/rules are clicked through, a filter as it were, as this area of research and practice is prone to attract dangerously individualist and militarist interests and cultures. But thanks for your feedback!

@JulianOliver @jblue *shrug*. this all seems like stuff that could be handled by a rules page on signup, and by moderating content submissions, without essentially turning it into "join my discord server but it's fedi this time".

@JulianOliver @jblue anyway, I'll leave you to it. I'm too ADHD for this level of faff.

@gsuberland @JulianOliver can see your frustration. For me, I will be too busy to write wikis and posting on mastodon will be there best way to accumulate knowledge and good advice about permaculture in a changing climate bc people sharing their experiences in replies that Julian can see. For instance, I can grow dwarf mangos in zone 8/9 east coast but PNW z8 cannot bc of late season cold nights, etc. I didn’t know this until I talked to a guy on here from WA.

@gsuberland @jblue Let's see how it goes. Thanks again :-)

Devine Lu Linvega Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver excellent idea, and domain name

@neauoire Yay! Means a lot :-)

jak Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver been thinking on the need for something like this for a while, and stoked to see you be involved in kicking this off. I’ll be joining for sure.

@jakintosh Lovely to read. I think a lot of folk would've been dreaming of the same or similar. We all feel the need, so palpable. Would be great to see you join and share your knowledge/skills/insights!

Pythia Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver i have my own server, but I have a lot of friends who may dig this. Can I share on another platform?

@Pythia Would be wonderful!

ndpi Sep 1, 2023

@JulianOliver I’m hopeful that this can be a useful resource and aggregator. One of the tough things about this space is not falling into the paranoia and militarism trap, so I’m heartened by the server CoC.

Flo Ti Sep 2, 2023

@JulianOliver Great idea and project. I'm in!

Julian Oliver Sep 2, 2023

@flowti Great to read! Sign up at https://collapsible.systems (we'll try and use that Masto node as a place to stay in touch around the wiki, organise etc), and then one of us will sort you out with an account on the Wiki 🙂

Collapsible Systems

Collapsible.Systems is a research node to collect and share knowledge relating to the Collapsible Project (see https://wiki.collapsible.systems).

Mastodon hosted on collapsible.systems

Nazani Dec 12, 2023

@JulianOliver
How's it going? Any dieticians on board? In collapse "food is medicine" becomes a crucial viewpoint when manufactured medicine is no longer available.

Julian Oliver Dec 13, 2023

@Nazani The wiki is chugging along, little contributions every week. On such a topic, and of such breadth, it is expected to be a slow burner. No dieticians on board as yet. Having representation there would be wonderful!

Raghav Agrawal Jan 7, 2024

@JulianOliver Love how you've chosen tardigrade for the logo 👌🏾