Renmiou
Nimona RESISTSI want working mass transit.
Dudula the Dud@valen1 what about the people who don't live in a city or large town? The ones that aren't viable for a mass transit system?
@BackFromTheDud Hub and spoke system. Busses from the hubs out to the spokes.
⁂Krafty⁂ #NoKings@valen1 @BackFromTheDud I, for one, am all for good public transit in cities but it seems that a lot of people forget that rural areas exist.
I live in a place where the distance to the closest large city (the size of Chicago, NYC, or Portland) is 180-200 miles away. Where I live, the most feasible public transportation is a local bus and that's only if you live in town. Good luck if you live out on a farm!
I'm not against public transit but it's not going to solve all of our problems.
James 🇨🇦@tkk13909 @valen1 @BackFromTheDud
I think its more a case of rural areas having the complete opposite space-people problem to cities. Thus car by default makes more sense.
I think its more a case of rural areas having the complete opposite space-people problem to cities. Thus car by default makes more sense.
iopq@tkk13909 @valen1 @BackFromTheDud you never had an issue to begin with since cars exist
Public transit is a solution to congested city traffic
@iopq @valen1 @BackFromTheDud Right, but I've heard some people say that we shouldn't have cars and that everyone should rely on public transit. I'm not against public transit.
In Search of a Better World@valen1 @BackFromTheDud Is what needs to die. When mass transport cracks point to point, then it becomes safe and convenient for everyone. Some sort of nationally owned automated pods system would work. If only we didn't need drivers and the pods could self-drive. Hey, maybe we do want self-driving cars.
Lett Osprey@BackFromTheDud @valen1 Yah. I drive to a train station and take the train to work. But I am pretty dependant on a car to drive to the station. And This fancy "hub and spoke" system forget that people need to travel from spoke to spoke sometimes and would then be forced into hubs.
Living without a car is neat in the city, I did that for years, but after moving away from the city you become dependant on car, and the amount of busses to remove that dependency is not doable.
@BackFromTheDud
Self driving cars aren't going to solve transport in those areas either. cities need to stop being built for cars so that we can just walk or bike to get everywhere. Of course for longer distances you can still use cars. We aren't saying to get rid of all cars.
Self driving cars aren't going to solve transport in those areas either. cities need to stop being built for cars so that we can just walk or bike to get everywhere. Of course for longer distances you can still use cars. We aren't saying to get rid of all cars.
Chris_Swan@valen1 Yes, me too
ator robot@valen1 no, I don't want boring things like public transport.
who ever said public transport was boring? trains are fascinating and excitingly mechanical, trams are interestingly different from trains, buses can be exhilaratingly nerve-wracking, and guess what? cars are the only exception.
cars are dull as fuck.
420@valen1 @thegibson Utopia!
Jared White (ResistanceNet ✊)@valen1 “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said self-driving cars.”
High-speed rail + high-quality public transit, combined with micromobility, is the future!
@valen1 Self driving cars/busses could be part of a public transportation system too...?
sabik
Hat. AuDHD cat 😷🌺🍉🌻🔻@valen1 we need both
We need SAFE ACCESSIBLE mass transit AND cars that can be directed by people who cannot drive
Havyhh2@valen1 .....make that "high-speed mass transit" and I'm all in!!
䷏→䷧@valen1 I - no shit - saw my first self driving car yesterday and it came within a few feet, like five, ten feet idk of hitting a bicyclist crossing the street at 3 - 3:30am. Actually seeing with my own eyes a car take off from a stop light with the drivers seat empty fucked me up mentally way way more than I expected it to.
Beatrix@valen1 we have that it's called Europe
Bhante Subharo ☸@valen1 how about.. BOTH?
mechanlou 
@valen1 I want this AND self-driving cars
duser@valen1
Okay hear me out. You know how in the jetsons' they had these walk ways that moved on their own and took you to places. What if, we had a giant one of those that ran through a city? And like we can put it in a tube to make it safe for everyone. We can put seats on it for the people who want to sit! And put it underground so it takes less space
Someone call Elon, i solved transport!
/s
Empire
Laura@valen1 I love how the first reaction is an instant "but what about rural folk?" as if they were being harmed by increasing access to public transportation in cities where the vast majority of people live...
Sphinx of Black QuartzThat's how it's inevitably framed, though (at least in the US). Tell the folks in exurbs and deep rural areas that "This might help somebody else more than you, maybe even somebody UNDESERVING" and they'll vote against it, no matter how much it would benefit them.
Also, gotta love the chutzpah of people who move to hour-from-everywhere suburbs, then complain about inconvenient commutes and lack of access to city infrastructure.
Twenty years later, when city infrastructure has worked its way out to the suburb, the same people move even further out to two-hours-from-everywhere exurbs, because "The local character is changing!" (Translation: "Too many non-white people.")
BmanNYCFor all the people responding: "But I'm dependent on my car."
That's the point of wanting working mass transit - to be less dependent on cars!
Darren Gregory@valen1 I used to live in and still live near an 'eco town'. When the plans were drawn up there was a suggestion that they would reconnect the town to the railway network. Unsurprisingly this never happened, they could have even set up a shuttle bus to the nearest railway line the next village, but no. Now as the hundreds of houses go up and become occupied almost each has at least two cars outside. An utter failure.
skribe 🇺🇦 
@valen1 welcome to Singapore
zephyr 
@valen1 my country's train systems are underpriced and kinda dying. a 1000 km train would get 10 hours slower than before. somehow i want to study and fix these trains and make them clean and faster. but nothing in here has budget. i don't know if we even need lots of money for that?
Sandra Hoenle (she/her) 🇨🇦@valen1 Yes, yes, yes!!
Sasa@valen1 Affordable mass transit, too. I'm tired of living in a country where rich people take the train and poor people try to carpool because it's all we can afford.
n0bml
corpsewalker@valen1 and a cure for motion sickness ! So I can ride things!
Jay 🆘Mike W (@[email protected])
I DON'T WANT SELF DRIVING CARS!!!! ✔️ I want boring things like public transit that comes so regularly I don't need to check a schedule. ✔️ I want fast passenger rail so accessible and easy it's preferable to suffering airports. ✔️ I want cities that aren't built around cars-as-default ✔️ I want the country to own it.
@valen1
Me too. I understand that rural areas still need cars, but that doesn't mean that it should be the case for city folk too.
I've lived in a fairly rural area, as well as a more densely populated area. I can say for certain that the latter could use public transportation.
There shouldn't be 5 freaking lanes in a road as the norm, and all 5 lanes shouldn't be packed with traffic either. Maybe I'm not used to the city yet, but that sounds absurd to me.
Edgar Cabrera@valen1 and walkable cities!
GӨЯKY@valen1 Well, the current cities in most part of the world is designed with roads and cars in mind. The same trend is what is being used by developing world also. There is high need to push back from people's movements to stop this trend and invest on public transportation. High speed rails are the need of the hour, but that is getting very little traction in most part of the world (with the exception of China perhaps, who have built about 43,000KM of high speed rail).
geobeck@valen1
I want both. There will always be a need for individual transportation, especially outside cities. Hub & spoke rail would work great in Europe, but it couldn't cover the sparse vastness of the Canadian prairies.
On the other hand, rapid rail connecting Edmonton, Calgary, Saskatoon, Regina, and Winnipeg would be awesome.
Also in cities: Road networks dedicated to bikes.
Jeff McFadden@valen1 Why not just slow down, reduce scale, develop a system where resources are available within walking distance?
We had one 120 years ago. It's not like we don't know how.
All speed does is create distance and waste motion, waste energy.
We had one 120 years ago. It's not like we don't know how.
All speed does is create distance and waste motion, waste energy.
shadow_absorber@valen1 so sad a lot of places don't seem to realize how important public #transport options like trains and busses are... it helps kids who are to young to drive themselves... it helps the elderly/seniors travel on their own too... it helps a lot of the lower payed people who can't afford a car... and so on #publictranit is for everyone
Blue@valen1 I might be wrong but there is a double bottom, cuz this specific model of ICE train was adopted by Russian Railways as "Sapsan". But the project was so expensive and problematic it broke the trust of many. And yes, unfortunately Moscow - St. Pete's flight ticket is about the same price and sometimes even more expensive than the prices of the same route on by this train.
But it doesn't mean we should not try, public transport is awesome
But it doesn't mean we should not try, public transport is awesome
THE SWÄG🇺🇦@valen1 Hm not sure if the russian high speed train in your picture fulfills these requirements...
Luny@valen1 Nah, sod that, I want to be carried from door to door. Johnny Cabs are so much cooler than trains. 😜
MementoMori@valen1 utopian idea, great on paper, it's a big money sinking project. Cost of tickets will be unsustainable, even japan is struggling.
@MementoMori
I disagree. I took high speed rail in Portugal. A 90 minute trip (125 km) cost about 30 euro. Very sustainable.
I disagree. I took high speed rail in Portugal. A 90 minute trip (125 km) cost about 30 euro. Very sustainable.
@valen1 Agree with this!👍
novatorine 🏴🏳️⚧️@valen1 god it'd actually be nice if we had useful, regular, accessible public transport here. I wouldn't let anyone take car away from me rn, because without it the nearest bus stop is miles away and I can't ride bikes, but I can't actually drive my car, my gf has to drive me, so actually good public transport would be even better.
@valen1 you want Japan public transit system. And you're right.
stephen m 🍞🌹🇵🇸If only this were where we spent tax dollars instead of tax rebates and breaks for electric cars
Jonathan Lyons@valen1 can we add urban lumber to the mix also?
Clinton Anderson SwordForHire@valen1 I want trains, I want busses, I want trams, and trollies....
I want seperated bike lanes. I want raised Pedestrian Crossovers, and 30km speed limits (especially in residential areas)
And I want all the cars that remain (because cars are never going to go away completely) to be electric, with Level 5 Autonomy. The most dangerous component of any vehicle is the knob behind the wheel.
This list is by no means comprehensive.
Jason Bauman
@FourQ ♿@valen1 I want wheelchair access to the things we've got. Rail (I don't even know where to begin), bus (more than one bay) and card to stop blocking dropped kerbs and leaving space for wheelchairs to pass.
Then I want mass transit _everywhere_
Until we can learn the above the changes will include the same problems we face already. They'll just be fresh.
Then I want mass transit _everywhere_
Until we can learn the above the changes will include the same problems we face already. They'll just be fresh.