jazz mickleAH FUCK, BANDCAMP
https://www.bandcamp2.com/
BANDCAMPS FUCKED NOW WHAT???
WELL HERES A BUNCH OF INFO. TELL YOUR FUCKING FRIENDS
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO CONTRIBUTE, PLEASE DO. IM NOT SMART
STILL UPDATING THIS WEBSITE!! MORE RESOURCES EVERY DAY!! PEOPLE KEEP EMAILING ME!! MY CAPSLOCK KEY IS BROKEN
vfig@jazz you wrote "tools below to help you get it set up just like a bandcamp page" but i dont see a link to those tools? or if its there, its not called out as such
@vfig ah, will clear that up, thanks!
ailepet@jazz @linkmauve has a tiny Javascript to generate websites with cool playlists: https://linkmauve.fr/dev/spiff/
ॐɸЖ؏ߡ֎ਉ@jazz mirlo.space
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Johannes Baiter@jazz We need Soulseek combined with frictionless donations to artists.
Alexis@jazz now this is what I call a website
no ads, no extraneous animations or autoplaying videos, Just The Data
well played comrade
C-drík Kirdec Syrphe@jazz I don't see how pirating music will help musicians to pay their bills. What a stupid page.
Jess@Kirdec I don't see how your message helps improve the content of the page. What a stupid comment.
also if you REALLY THINK there's something wrong "pirating" albums that are literally unable to be purchased legitimately AT ALL, then you need to rethink a lot of stuff and maybe stop bootlicking corporate feet a bit.
SaftyKumaEven if you want to disregard the piracy angle, the rest of what the site is saying is valid.
Artists have been corralled into heavily centralized services such as Bandcamp, Spotify, etc. under the false guise of "democratization" of content and under the false pretenses of "discoverability" only to have the corpos who run these sites "alter the deal" on them multiple times, in increasingly one-sided terms.
These sites would be nothing without the content on them. It is time to stop feeding these sites content for practically nothing.
@SaftyKuma @hurgusburgus
I don't use streaming platforms & the only centralised where I sell & buy music is BC.
As mentioned, I earn money & not only for me, I pay artists with that money too. My music has been available for years on my website, the same for many artists & labels I know & people stopped buying from our sites so don't blame the artists.
I don't use streaming platforms & the only centralised where I sell & buy music is BC.
As mentioned, I earn money & not only for me, I pay artists with that money too. My music has been available for years on my website, the same for many artists & labels I know & people stopped buying from our sites so don't blame the artists.
@SaftyKuma @hurgusburgus
I agree that corporations aren't fair, even BC that allows me to earn money is not fair but if you don't understand how the music world works, then, it's pointless to have this conversation.
I started my first band in 1989, I have seen a lot of changes and someone encouraging people to pirate music is just a thieve, we don't speak here about elitist university literature locked behind pay walls.
I agree that corporations aren't fair, even BC that allows me to earn money is not fair but if you don't understand how the music world works, then, it's pointless to have this conversation.
I started my first band in 1989, I have seen a lot of changes and someone encouraging people to pirate music is just a thieve, we don't speak here about elitist university literature locked behind pay walls.
@SaftyKuma @hurgusburgus
Last but not least : I published benefits compilations on my BC page, raising THOUSANDS of euros to support and help people in Myanmar and Lebanon especially and hundreds of euros for children too. That would have never happened if I had published that on my website only and if some idiots had pirated the said compilations.
Again, not telling that BC is perfect, it's far from that but it's not the ultimate evil that are iTunes, Spotify & the likes that I never ever used
Last but not least : I published benefits compilations on my BC page, raising THOUSANDS of euros to support and help people in Myanmar and Lebanon especially and hundreds of euros for children too. That would have never happened if I had published that on my website only and if some idiots had pirated the said compilations.
Again, not telling that BC is perfect, it's far from that but it's not the ultimate evil that are iTunes, Spotify & the likes that I never ever used
@SaftyKuma @hurgusburgus No time to start a full debate, in brief: there is so much legally free music, what kind of selfish idiot would encourage people to pirate music instead of supporting artists? We can't buy everything, sure & some people have no money but there's so much legally free music anyway. I'm a full time musician, I partly make a living thanks to the sales. We are not in 1999 anymore. Stupidest argument I've ever heard. No difference between Spotify and these pirates, all thieves
@hurgusburgus You're the one making stupid comments. The stupid page doesn't say pirate "albums that are literally unable to be purchased legitimately AT ALL", & I repeat it : there's so much legally free music why would you lose time to look for pirated material even of your favourite artist when you'd not have enough of 100 years to listen to all that is free ?
My message was not to improve anything, nothing to improve in this rag.
And fyi, I'm not on any streaming platform and never used them
My message was not to improve anything, nothing to improve in this rag.
And fyi, I'm not on any streaming platform and never used them
@hurgusburgus Poor spoiled kids, you know what, if I have no money to buy a delicious chocolate cake, I go for the banana, if I have no money for that expensive vinyl, I go for two cheap CDs, if I can't find the best album of one of my favourite bands, I buy another album i like, if I can't find an important recording for a research, well... too bad, I should survive I presume, some people not it seems.
Joshua Aspinall
Jessie Nabein (Old Account)@jazz ah crap I should have reblogged your post 
instead of making my own with the URL
If you happen to be informed or find any new music hosts similar to bandcamp, please let me know if possible so I can add them to my music store list!! I will update it soon with a link to your site + a warning on bandcamp (i feel very sad to do that tbh)
blackknight95857669@blackknight95857669 already on there!
@blackknight95857669 oh it seems like a different meta thing? i'll link. thanks!
@jazz
Yeah it's the overview for Faircamp with a few artist links on it, I saw the link to the hosting help part and figured it might be helpful for people to see who/where that was originating from and what they're trying to do. You're welcome 🙂
Yeah it's the overview for Faircamp with a few artist links on it, I saw the link to the hosting help part and figured it might be helpful for people to see who/where that was originating from and what they're trying to do. You're welcome 🙂
luddite 🇵🇸 computer@jazz wow soulseek is still a thing in 2023
Cairo Braga [toot]@jazz amazing website, thanks! can I suggest Gumroad be added to the list of places like Itchio?
BonkersDeezer pays almost two times higher than Spotify, but still peanuts.
The1goit 
@bonkers there's also Tidal, which pays higher as well, but also still peanuts.
Scott 🏴😷@jazz I was probs gonna make an itch.io site for if I do gamedev stuff, but now I know that it can be used to sell music and run a decent player, might have given me a better idea to set up there.
Groschi@jazz
From a user perspective, sadly, there is no real alternative right now as far as i'm concerned. Yeah, an artist or two might sell or give away their stuff via other platforms or their own website, but for the forseeable future, this will probably stay the exception. Bandcamp as of now (for how much longer though...?) is more than just a music sales platform. It is also a (very specific, narrow-focused kind of) social network and the best way to discover weird underground music, fueled by the passion and knowledge of fellow trusted music nerds. Following people of exquisite taste and only getting stuff washed into your timeline they've deemed worthy of paying actual money for, that's the real genius move setting the bandcamp feed apart from any other music-focused social platform where folks will just post any random thing they come across. Because of that, it's still an invaluable resource to me.
So yeah, i'd love to take my music purchases and discovery elsewhere but at this point, there's nothing in a position to replace it. Especially the discovery part has a really bleak outlook. Music blogs are mostly dead in today's web landscape (although i'm still running my own thing) and so is the oldschool music press. Existing social networks and their algorithms are mostly concerned with getting clicks and promoting what's already popular while their users are more concerned with gaining likes and social clout and thus, just posting whatever they know has a large audience already. At this point, doing my thing without the bandcamp feed seems close to impossible. Should a viable alternative (or maybe, multiple specialized alternatives) emerge though, i'm totally on board with it.
From a user perspective, sadly, there is no real alternative right now as far as i'm concerned. Yeah, an artist or two might sell or give away their stuff via other platforms or their own website, but for the forseeable future, this will probably stay the exception. Bandcamp as of now (for how much longer though...?) is more than just a music sales platform. It is also a (very specific, narrow-focused kind of) social network and the best way to discover weird underground music, fueled by the passion and knowledge of fellow trusted music nerds. Following people of exquisite taste and only getting stuff washed into your timeline they've deemed worthy of paying actual money for, that's the real genius move setting the bandcamp feed apart from any other music-focused social platform where folks will just post any random thing they come across. Because of that, it's still an invaluable resource to me.
So yeah, i'd love to take my music purchases and discovery elsewhere but at this point, there's nothing in a position to replace it. Especially the discovery part has a really bleak outlook. Music blogs are mostly dead in today's web landscape (although i'm still running my own thing) and so is the oldschool music press. Existing social networks and their algorithms are mostly concerned with getting clicks and promoting what's already popular while their users are more concerned with gaining likes and social clout and thus, just posting whatever they know has a large audience already. At this point, doing my thing without the bandcamp feed seems close to impossible. Should a viable alternative (or maybe, multiple specialized alternatives) emerge though, i'm totally on board with it.
RedMacryon 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️@jazz More like most of bandcamps employees are fucked
(My honest condolences though. Getting laid of really sucks and can destroy people financially for years)
Jamie@jazz This is such a good reference and so fast and easy to read!
Scott Hain@jazz is the code for the site available if folks wanted to mirror in case bc goes after you for the domain name? or are there already mirrors?
eli@jazz the foobar2000 mobile app (ios and android) is a great standalone music player. you can add your own music over a local network with the built in FTP server. -second random person on fediverse
@eli ohh i didn't know they had mobile apps, awesome thanks! do you want a proper contribution credit?
@jazz i think its a good app more people should know about and i love to spread the word! i’ll take credit, you can put the hyperlink to my original reply
Max Klyga@jazz There's also https://ampwall.com/ but it hasn't launched yet
Blake Watson 
@jazz Super love that this page links out to my fav web host, NFSN.
Susko3@jazz
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<li><a href="https://misskey.dev/notes/9lareumi9j">[email protected]</a></li>
- <li><a href="www.bloodysound.it">NANDO FROM BLOODY SOUND</a></li>
+ <li><a href="https://www.bloodysound.it">NANDO FROM BLOODY SOUND</a></li>
<li>PIETER BOS</li>
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Edit: crap mastodon seems to be auto-formatting links
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+<!DOCTYPE html>
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<li><a href="https://misskey.dev/notes/9lareumi9j">[email protected]</a></li>
- <li><a href="www.bloodysound.it">NANDO FROM BLOODY SOUND</a></li>
+ <li><a href="https://www.bloodysound.it">NANDO FROM BLOODY SOUND</a></li>
<li>PIETER BOS</li>
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Edit: crap mastodon seems to be auto-formatting links
Strypey@jazz
Thanks for collecting some links about what's happened to #BandCamp, and putting me onto;
* FairCamp (great work @radiofreefedi);
https://faircamp.radiofreefedi.net/
* Mountain Town;
https://mountaintown.technology/
* Jam Co-op;
All look like great projects.
I've got some questions for the jam.coop folks though, that aren't really answered here;
1) Why start yet another music distribution platform/ co-op, instead of partnering with an existing one like Resonate.coop, MusicCoin.org, MagnaTune.com Jamendo.com?
I presume you had good reasons for starting from scratch, but it would be good if your FAQ page covered this.
@chrislowis
2) What are you planning to do differently from your predecessors, and why do you think this will be more attractive to musicians and music fans? Both CreativeCommons music hosting platforms like MagnaTune Jamendo, and Tribe of Noise, and platform co-ops like Resonate and MusicCoin.
@chrislowis
3) what do you mean by this?
"Running a successful open source project requires a lot of time and we can't do that and build jam.coop at the same time at the moment."
Literally all you need to do is write source code, and publish it under a free license (eg AGPL) as you write it. Why does that takes more time than throwing it over the wall when you're done?
Chris Lowis@strypey Great questions thanks.
1) resonate is effectively dead unfortunately. MusicCoin looks to be blockchain based which I have issues with. The other two are streaming platforms.
2) We want to allow musicians to sell downloads, merchandise and physical releases and also support indie labels as well as artists.
3) Licensing the code is straightforward as you suggest. We'd like people to be able to contribute and provide a positive experience for them. It'll come, just not right now.
@strypey good suggestion to add "what about platform X" to the FAQ! We're talking a lot to the Mirlo (ex-resonate) folks so are fairly plugged in to what's happening in the co-op music platforms.