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George Takei 
🏳️🌈🖖🏽The Israeli government has cut off food, water, and fuel to 2 million people inside Gaza as part of its campaign to stamp out Hamas terrorism. Collective punishment is not only contrary to international law, it is inhumane and illogical. It is what my community once endured in World War II, all because of the actions of others who happened to share our ethnicity. Have we learned nothing? How will this possibly help deescalate the violence rather than radicalize many more? It is madness.
Probertd8@georgetakei Yes if anybody has the right to speak out about this it is you & so many others in similar situations.
Holger Fiallo@georgetakei What do you want them to do? Say please with sugar give our people back. Enough!! Those people let them takeover their city and sadlie will pay. Israel is fighting for their lives. They want Israel exterminated just like the Germany Nazi try to do them during WW II. Enough. Feel for those but Israel need to punish, next if Iran was involve they are next.
Mycams@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei Same old, same old for 70+ years. The very definition of insanity by both sides.
Gabriele Svelto [moved]@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei indiscriminate punishment will only lead to more young Palestinians being radicalized. How many times has the Israeli government declared it had defeated Hamas in the past twenty years, and yet it's become stronger and more violent?
TiTiNoNero 
@gabrielesvelto @HolgerFiallo @georgetakei
I can't believe that the most famous intelligence service in the world, supported by CIA and the best western tech was unable to pinpoint the terrorists and suppress them in the past 50 years. Now they have to resort to genocide? Hasn't history taugth them anything? Track and hunt the responsabiles. Do not wipe out a nation indiscriminately.
I can't believe that the most famous intelligence service in the world, supported by CIA and the best western tech was unable to pinpoint the terrorists and suppress them in the past 50 years. Now they have to resort to genocide? Hasn't history taugth them anything? Track and hunt the responsabiles. Do not wipe out a nation indiscriminately.
DcircleF@gabrielesvelto @HolgerFiallo @georgetakei Agreed. For years Israel has had almost all the power in the situation, and therefore has the heavy responsibility to make peace. It has not pursued peace.
wednesday the valkyrjaIsrael has actively been erasing Palestine since 1948.
yeah, many don't want it to exist. it exists at Palestinians expense.
of anyone is copying the tactics of Nazi Germany, it's the Israeli government.
@superheroine Israel has the right to survive. They needed their own nation since wherever they went people use them as target for their hate against them. The young people need to remove those extremists that attack Israel.Is sad that it got to this point but now for every action there is a consequence. All of us know that for Arabia and Iran a good jew is a dead jew. Even here in America some would prefer it. Long live Israel.
so they can take it from someone else and hurt the people who already live there? Settler-colonialism is wrong, full stop.
if African americans went to, say Ghana, and kicked out Ghanaians, took their land, made them live in poverty and only in the areas the we said they could, it would be colonialism and horribly wrong, despite the fact that anti-Blackness makes us unsafe in America.
why is Palestinians safety and right to self determination not relevant to you?
Lightning Bjornsson* 
@HolgerFiallo @superheroine No right to survive for a genocidal regime, such as Nazi Germany, Russia, or Israel. (I'm pretty sure Hamas is also genocidal (senselessly mowing down israeli civvies?), so they too are included)
You'd do well to look up the word "Nakba" - the Palestine-Arab term for Israel's/Mandatory Palestine's actions towards them upon independence.
You'd do well to look up the word "Nakba" - the Palestine-Arab term for Israel's/Mandatory Palestine's actions towards them upon independence.
Erik Haugen@HolgerFiallo @superheroine But escalating violence (if that is what they're doing, I can't tell because few will talk about this without a political agenda) isn't necessary for that, and will ultimately be unhelpful – I think that is the point others are making here. So: if they're hunting down Hamas terrorists, that's fine – if they're bombing schools, not so much. Too much nuance?
Jasper 🍉@HolgerFiallo i see you use analogies to Nazi Germany. They made excuses for the inexcusable using external enemies of propaganda-inflated power and evil aswel.
And your suggestion that Palestinians should betray other people in order to be respected in sickening. (of course, everyone serving betrays other people)
And they did othering, like you talk of Trumpers as "sheep", while correct might show your thinking.. @superheroine
Floradian@superheroine @HolgerFiallo and so do Palestinians - they were ousted from their homes and are still being dispossessed
Galder Gonzalez 
@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei they can do many things that are not... genocide.
localzuk@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei the need to follow international law. Simple as that. Are the children whose lives are now at risk guilty of any crimes? No. So why are they being punished?
Vincent Van Dinsky@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei I want them to get out of the Occupied Territories, which they agreed to do over 50 years ago.
xyz123@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei Israel is fighting Hamas after its murderous attacks on civilians. How - exactly - do you thing making all Palestinians in the Gaza Strip suffer for lack of food and power will make that fight easier for Israel? In your answer, please keep in mind that Hamas soldiers, having guns, won't be the ones going hungry and that being starved is unlikely to make kids growing up in Gaza love Israel more.
The reasoning of hating all Gaza residents ("those people," as you call them), including civilians, for the actions of the Hamas forces that rule over them is the same reasoning that allows Hamas soldiers to justify killing civilians in Israel ("those people") in their fury over oppression by the Israeli government.
You are demonstrating the same indiscriminate murderous ethnic hatred the thing you're decrying.
tptigger@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei THIS. I’d rather they let food in, especially because these civilians have done nothing but be born Palestinian in Gaza and don’t deserve this; I deplore that civilians are in the crossfire, but given that Hamas does things like out their headquarters under a hospital l don’t know what choice they have. Hamas puts military assets in the midst of civilians. And then there’s this. Always this. https://steveschmidt.substack.com/p/the-true-meaning-of-de-escalation?utm_medium=ios
The true meaning of 'de-escalation'
De-escalation. Have you heard the word yet on cable news? Suddenly, it is everywhere, all at once. Make no mistake — it is pernicious, obscene, and unique to Israel. The word is premised upon a history of Jew hatred that stretches back to antiquity, and represents a singular proposition that has endured through the centuries, but ended forever in 1948. The proposition is that Jews are to be hunted, murdered, gassed and killed without trial, without mercy and without resistance. The ubiquitous media question about “de-escalation” is a chimera that conceals a malignancy, which is this: why are you Jews fighting back? Why do you insist on living? Being? Surviving? Creating? Flourishing?
Tobias Denkinger@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei
Nazi Germany did not try to exterminate Israel. How could they. Israel did not exist back then.
Nazi Germany did not try to exterminate Israel. How could they. Israel did not exist back then.
@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei
Who do you mean by "They [who] want Israel exterminated [...]"? Hamas or the Palestinians living in Gaza?
Who do you mean by "They [who] want Israel exterminated [...]"? Hamas or the Palestinians living in Gaza?
John Slyfield@HolgerFiallo @georgetakei punish those who had nothing to do with what happened like infants and other non combatants?
Ian Molton@georgetakei @HolgerFiallo What a load of shit.
Israel is the aggressor. Always has been.
esanikerruzegibat@HolgerFiallo I'll just treat myself into pointing out that your most disabling blindness has no relation whatsoever with your eyes. Have a nice day.
@bixardune OK. Have a nice day. Can say the same. for you. Be safe.
@HolgerFiallo Thanks, I really appreciate the answer. But I'd trade my being safe for your capability to see yourself in 'the other'.
@bixardune You are entitle your view. I am trying to be polite. Have a nice day. Ending discussion..
Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥋☣️That's assuming that they aren't actively trying to radicalize to provide a credible threat to unite "their" people behind - a common tactic in fascistic governments.
I really know very little about the Isreal / Palestine situation at all, but the playbook looks very familiar.
Jordi Margalef@Blort @georgetakei each one need the other in their current form to keep themselves in power for a little longer. Sadly, a lot of people on both sides fall into the trap.
@georgetakei Israel need to stop all flow in and out of Gaza. Hamas is responsible for this. Ask yourself why you are not angry with Hamas that is doing this
RodneyPetersonTalentAgencyThey already declared that, shithead.
@RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei the people of Gaza should be angry with Hamas. Not Israel
@maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei you know Hamas is responsible for killing plenty of Gazans right? Those who stand up to them end up dead.
@localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei yes, why is it bad that Israel Defends itself and try to kill Hamas? You think Hitler could be reasoned with? Hamas is Nazis.
@maffia @localzuk @georgetakei
Dumbass, you have no understanding of the breadth of this issue if you think it’s one sided.
@RodneyPetersonTalent @localzuk @georgetakei you believe it's ok for Nazis to kill Jews? Are you actually defending terrorists? You are morally wrong
@maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei that's not what they said?? You're engaging in yet more of the idiotic behaviour that Israel has done for decades - accuse anyone who calls out Israel's behaviour of being a supporter of terrorism.
No. It is possible to be against both Hamas and Israeli policy and behaviour. It needs to stop on both sides.
@localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei 800 civilians at least have been killed for being Jews. That's one-sided. Hamas goal is not liberate Palestine. It's to exterminate all jews
@maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei and again, stop equating Hamas with all Palestinians.
No-one here is supporting Hamas.
GNU+Chucho 
@localzuk @maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei Many people believe that war it's a football match that you can support one side without any question. War is much more complex and we can see the worst thing from humanity.
@maffia @localzuk @georgetakei
So that justifies cutting off all supplies to over two million people who were not at all active in the conflict the majority who do not share that belief and have also been essentially imprisoned into a tiny strip of land?
@RodneyPetersonTalent @localzuk @georgetakei yes, if that means that Hamas don't get weapons and they are forced to negotions . As long as Hamas can send rockets and kill Jews they will. What else could force Hamas to stop? More air attacks, or you want tanks to enter Gaza?
@maffia @localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei I can pretty much guarantee that, once Israel is done retaliating against Hamas, more Gaza civilians will have died than Israeli civilians. That's usually how these things play out. Yes. Hamas has a big share of the blame for their deaths, but Israel also doesn't do enough to avoid killing civilians.
@maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei your reply makes no sense. How are normal Gazans supposed to do anything? Why are they being punished by Israel now? The kids at the UN school that was hit, did they commit crimes? The refugees in the refugee camp that was bombed? Did they commit crimes?
You've got to wake up and stop being so polarised. Hamas is a terrorist organisation. You don't battle that by creating new terrorists through indiscriminate attacks.
@localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei Israel have opened up Gaza the last year's and have been trying to make peace. Do you blame Japan for USA bombing Hiroshima?
@maffia @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei drivel. Israel has been stealing.land, building settlements, destroying homes, limiting access to water, electricity and fuel, etc... Israel aren't innocent in this. Hamas are not innocent either.
@maffia @localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei What does that have to do with cutting off food, water, and fuel supplies to all residents of Gaza? Nobody says Israel can't defend itself or attack Hamas, but starving all residents is aggression against the civilian population of Gaza of the same sort as Hamas's murders of civilians merely for being present in Israel.
@xyz123 @localzuk @RodneyPetersonTalent @georgetakei how you think has got their weapons. That's right because Israel didn't control the Gaza strip enough, they let people and good pass without checking everything
Breck Beatie@maffia @georgetakei Mr. Takei never said he wasn't "angry with Hamas." He has described the attack as an a atrocity and depraved. I don't understand why you'd try to mischaracterize his position.
@Breck @georgetakei the atrocity is a consequence of Hamas actions
@maffia @georgetakei Uh, yes? What's your point?
@Breck @georgetakei Israel have no blame, they do what they must
@maffia @georgetakei Agree to disagree. Their actions (and the actions of the US Government) over the last several decades aren't making things better. Maybe there's another way.
@Breck @georgetakei not from Israel's point of view. Jews don't like being killed. But fascists you like do
@maffia @Breck @georgetakei punishing innocent people for the actions of others is not going to solve anything. It's a war crime for one. It generates even more hate for another.
@localzuk @Breck @georgetakei 800 innocent are dead because Israel where too soft on Gaza and let Hamas get weapons. If Israel had been mere oppressive Hamas couldn't get weapon. It seems like you want Hamas to kill civilians
@localzuk @Breck @georgetakei genocide is when innocent die. Killing Hamas is not genocide. Blockade a country so they don't buy weapons is not genocide.
@maffia @Breck @georgetakei NOT ALL PALESTINIANS ARE HAMAS.
There are 2 million people in the Gaza strip. Hamas is but a tiny fraction.
@localzuk @Breck @georgetakei Hamas could win an election. They are not tiny. They are backed by Russia and iran
@maffia @Breck @georgetakei of course, they win the elections! The elections are not free and fair!
When you've got a bunch of military nut jobs going round ordering you to vote a certain way, what're you gong to do?