Howard BurkettOct 7, 2023
Lucifer ☄️
They keep on finding that leaving homeless people on the street is more expensive than just giving them housing, or in this case, money.

Never let your political leadership deny that homelessness is a policy choice, not a fact of life or an unchangeable reality.

Edit: as requested, link to study https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2222103120
And a related news story https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/30/canada-study-homeless-money-spending
Oct 4, 2023 at 8:40pmWeb
Show threadmmu_manOct 4, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar it's so surprising that people still find that surprising that people still find that surprising… and yet… 🙂
Show threadLisPiOct 7, 2023
@mmu_man @LuciferMorningstar Not sure how it's surprising that anyone who has been consistently bombarded with propaganda would be surprised at just how wrong it is.
Show threadmmu_manOct 7, 2023
@lispi314 @LuciferMorningstar yeah I was more talking about peole here who are more aware of these things, but yeah, sad propaganda…
Show threadKid ManiaOct 8, 2023
@lispi314 @mmu_man @LuciferMorningstar
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Show threadDadsForSensibleCurfewsOct 5, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar makes you wonder what the purpose of "money" is
Show threadPete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫Oct 7, 2023

@old_baby @LuciferMorningstar
Money is relatively harmless as a technology for resource allocation and exchange.

It's Capital that is the problem.

Show threadDadsForSensibleCurfewsOct 7, 2023
@petealexharris @LuciferMorningstar money as i have experienced it seems to be as much a tool for extracting value and muddying the waters between value and price.
"making" "money while you sleep" is describing the individualistic goal of capitalism. to earn enough money from organized labor (through rent collection, investing or hiring employees, it makes no difference. ) how would you describe the purpose of money in that equation?
Show threadPete Alex Harris🦡🕸️🌲/∞🪐∫Oct 7, 2023

@old_baby @LuciferMorningstar
I would describe the ownership and control of resources, limiting the freedom and potential of other people, as the problem. Feudal lords used to do it with land and beans and turnips before serfs had any currency to extract.

Money's a tech. It's like the blood plasma of an economy, carrying value around but not being valuable in itself.

Even doing full collectivism, it's better to let people decide what to "spend" their share on. Money's a way to keep it simple.

Show threadMunicipal AdhesivesOct 8, 2023

@petealexharris @old_baby @LuciferMorningstar

Ahistorical hogwash. Money was the way to force a farming population to feed the occupying army and pay taxes to the oppressor: Oppressor pays its army in coin, and only accept taxes in coin. The only way for the farmer to get coin to pay taxes is to trade food with the occupying army for the coin.

Money is a tech to generate oppression.

You also don't understand blood plasma, which contains clotting factors without which you would bleed to death from a paper cut.

Show threadEarthshine --> movedOct 5, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar The reason that the homeless are left without support has nothing to do with the efficacy of supporting them, and everything to do with maintaining control over the worker classes by giving them something to fear.

When you stop fearing homelessness, the capitalists lose the power to leverage that fear to exploit you. Thus the cruelty is necessary to maintain that power, and the dehumanization of the homeless is necessary to allow that cruelty.

To not give in to apathy or contempt is a choice that we all have the power to make.

Show threadAdrian MoralesOct 7, 2023
@earthshine @LuciferMorningstar Case in point:
Show thread🏳️‍🌈 Bri 🌞🚴🌱✨Oct 5, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar The study being discussed can be found here: https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2222103120
Show threadFiadh (she/fae/it)Oct 7, 2023

@cargot_robbie @LuciferMorningstar heh, PNAS

(seriously, though, thank you)

Show threadDavid FetterOct 5, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar Yes, dehousing people and then killing them via exposure, police violence, etc., is clearly a policy priority that's seen as worth expending resources in order to do. It's just sickening when you say it out loud.
Show threadarchlentilOct 6, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar it's laughable that this person thinks the findings will revolutionize anything. people holding the purse strings already know this.
Show threadLynn McAlister UE  Oct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar A lot of our "unsolveable" problems are policy choices.
Show threadNear North campOct 7, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar

Here in #Minneapolis the only livable shelter spends $45K per each one of us per year— and like, great, this shelter (Avivo) is not totally terrible but they're spending millions to bulldoze us and millions to the nonprofit-industrial complex to barely shelter us what the hell is wrong with just giving us money or land or both?

Show threadDavid W. JonesOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar
About time for our homeless-hating mayor and city council to do something about homelessness *that works*, but they're only interested in rich folk and businesses that make campaign contributions. #honolulu #mayor #citycouncil #hate the #homeless.
@n69n
Show threadRobin CapperOct 7, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar Yet NZ is probably about to elect a government that will make more people homeless :( *

* and happy to take $2 billion of those who can least afford it to fund tax cuts for those who can.

#NZPol

Show threadSquiggleOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar [citation needed]
Show threadadamghillOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar Reminds me of this experiment in Denver, CO for Universal Basic Income: https://www.businessinsider.com/ubi-cash-payments-reduced-homelessness-increased-employment-denver-2023-10.
UBI cash payments reduced homelessness, increased employment in Denver

UBI, or universal basic income, is a form of direct cash assistance to help the most vulnerable get back on their feet. A new study in Denver suggests it works.

Insider
Show threadMike SwitzerOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar
Turns out you can just throw money at problems. Us poor folks suspected as much.
@Ulrich_the_Elder
Show threadBeeCycling has movedOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar I would assume as well that it frees up the time of the people working with the homeless, so they've got more time to work with those who have more complex needs and need more support, so getting a better outcome for them too.
Show threadDoug Baker - Elbows Up! 🇨🇦Oct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar they got it right in #Utah, of all places; no-barrier housing. Don't have to be sober or clean. They found that within a couple of months...folks got clean and sober. Quel surpris!
Show threadDave Moskovitz (((❤️)))Oct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar I thought we'd fixed this problem during the pandemic.
Show threadKevOct 7, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar hi

The banks in Ireland went on strike in the 1970s. A unique event. Banks, striking. Everyone said it would drag the Irish economy to the dirt.... after 6 months the banks cancelled their strike and went back to work because it had no effect on the Irish economy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_bank_strikes_(1966%E2%80%931976)

"The effect on the Irish economy was surprisingly small, as Irish citizens traded cheques among themselves based on mutual trust, effectively substituting them for cash."

Irish bank strikes (1966–1976) - Wikipedia

Show threadLucifer ☄️Oct 9, 2023
@alisca As I recall, the best counterpoint to this story is that when the garbagemen went on strike in New York City in 1968, it took all of 9 days for New York to meet their demands:

https://evonomics.com/why-garbage-men-should-earn-more-than-bankers/
Why Garbagemen Should Earn More Than Bankers - Evonomics

How more and more people are making money without contributing anything of value

Evonomics
Show threadAdrienne LaCavaOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar I find this very interesting. (Comments not so much) Can you cite the study for us?
Show threadSyllus GreenOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar have we reached the stage where most governments' policies are further right than Lucifer?
Show threadNed YeungOct 7, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar This is seriously so frustrating, especially the statement that "this could revolutionalize the way we deal with endemic problems like poverty and homelessness", because this is actually one of numerous studies since the 80's which have come to the same conclusion, but in reality the factual knowledge that putting people in homes saves us money makes no difference in how we deal with homelessness because it is an intentional expense which we all pay for to prop up Capitalism.
Show threadLPSOct 7, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar
Unfortunately poverty is a tool to scare the hell out of the rest of us, so we stay in line.

#Capitalism doesn't work without the threat of violence/poverty which are one and the same

@cassidy

Show threadYves GarenneOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar cela ressemble à un encouragement au "Revenu universel" ??
Show threadLi0nOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar here's the study https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2222103120
Show threadtriswebOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar we’ve always known this. They won’t do it because 50% of our society fundamentally hates helping people. They believe that if you don’t help yourself you’ll become morally corrupt, because no one helped them and they had to do it all on their own. Their pain has burrowed itself into their souls as ideology.
Show threadstilescrisisOct 8, 2023

@LuciferMorningstar @uliwitness I've seen this come up several times but I've struggled with one point: how do you choose who gets the $7500?

UBI answers "everyone" but that invalidates the premise: it's no longer $7500 per homeless person, it's $7500 per person.

Do we want a means-testing mechanism to grant $7500 to a subset of the population? This seems like it creates very perverse incentives and doesn't guarantee that the people who actually need help receive it.

Show threadPauline Oplossingen bestaan alOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar Honestly I find his surprise of this fact appalling. I mean there is so much literature and studies regarding this fact, that some like Rutger Bregman should not be surprised.
He also mistakes the medicine. It's not money, it's access to fulfilling basic human needs.
Show threadRobert "Anaerin" JohnstonOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar It's not about the money, it's never about the money. The cruelty is the point.
Show threadNeia masksOct 8, 2023
@LuciferMorningstar And as I always point out, that's not even considering "life sucks when you're homeless" as a cost.

Some government projects have a notion of "quality-adjusted life years" that they convert to an economic cost. The going rate of a human life in those terms is like $8 million last I checked. A year homeless is a great reduction in quality, and it probably reduces your expected lifespan. That could potentially be a cost of millions.