nanoUFOCounter Strike 2 is surprisingly awful on Steam Deck right now
maxprimeAre competitive FPSs intended for handhelds?
DaveMaybe, maybe not. But I think people expect a game made by Valve to run on gaming hardware made by Valve, even if it’s only for casual playing.
Well it runs - just not as fast as you want. I personally would never want to play those competitive shooters that need pixel perfect aim on a handheld console… but that’s just me.
Ah yes, I totally expect Nintendo games to play on all their hardware like a 3ds…
The steam deck is their current gen hardware.
Sure, but they also make mobile games, do you expect hose to play on the switch too…?
So you acknowledge your DS comparison was bad?
And no I do not as mobile games and PC’s have different builds and approaches. Stop comparing apples to oranges. Counterstrike is a valve-produced PC shooter that is hardly cutting edge visually. The steam deck is a modern low-mid spec PC. I expect it to play there, especially as it’s their IP. Everything else they make does.
No, a 3ds is a pretty part comparison about a modern pc to a steam deck actually.
Steamdeck is not a “mobile device” the way people typically use it. I know you were going to argue that “it technically is“ or whatever, but that is not what people mean by mobile device. You’re oversimplifying it and you know it. Is a fully functional PC that can also go handheld. It is not a game boy. It is not a DS.
I have played much more visually demanding games on my steam deck at 45 to 60 FPS consistently. Valve dropped the ball, there’s no other way to look at it. So stop putting words in my mouth and over interpreting what I am saying. For instance, I literally never said anything remotely akin to “everything should play on every device.” That is a strawman of your making and an absolutely absurd assertion. Nobody would stand behind that claim.
How is any of that relevant to a company feint able to design games for what they want…?
Now you’re just reaching
Where am I reaching?
I also never put words in your mouth. I’ve used different methods to describe how companies make games for other hardware all the time.
Why should this game be different? Are you going to answer any of my questions or are you just going to continue to deflect with these endless fallacies?
What fallacies? You’re just reaching again. You can’t will a good argument by just insulting me and making things up lol
Later dude. I like valve but simping for them is too much.
Captain AggravatedIn terms of computer power, a Steam Deck is basically a mid-range laptop. Go buy a Dell Inspiron for about the same price and how does It run CS2?
How is that the same? This is a PC game running on a device meant to run PC games. Apples to apples
A severely limited device, like a 3ds compared to a switch even….
I’m glad you’re making it apparent that you don’t know what you’re talking about. Sure you can’t compare it to a two thousand dollar PC with top of the line hardware, but it’s plenty capable, affordable and you can take it anywhere. They’re fucking awesome and have made PC gaming accessible to lots of people
Yes it’s an awesome device and that’s not what was being discussed…
News flash, companies design games for different systems all the time, why should this one game be any different…?
You literally just said it’s a severely limited device, which it definitely isn’t. You’ve just done a complete 180 with your argument.
Compared to modern PCs… my argument hasn’t changed at all.
woelkchenI think people expect a game made by Valve to run on gaming hardware made by Valve, even if it’s only for casual playing.
Yes. Why else did CSGO get controller and gyro support? While Valve did not promise anything in that regard, there was the expectation that CS2 would basically be fully optimized for Deck. Maybe it will still happen. The “final” release is nothing but an open beta.
To add to this, the expectation is because they basically killed off CSGO for CS2 as an upgrade, so it should have the same and more functionalities.
Yes you can still turn on CSGO from settings but it’s worthless without servers.
Yeah we should be able to play half life Alyx on the steam deck too!!
DreamButtSure but they haven’t cared about the state of their games in ages. Iike I’m all for pushing to get them to fix it and all, but think it’s weird that people are surprised. Especially when the vast majority of their focus has been on steam for the last forever
kratoz29Well, I have seen some very crazy shit with Metroid Prime Hunters for DS.
tamiya_tt02I play Destiny 2 on my Asus ROG Ally almost daily, and have played lots of PVE and Gambit, but hate Crucible. It’s really powerful, so I think it’s possible to play competitive games on a handheld if you’re comfortable with using a controller. Of course, you can plug it into a monitor and use the XG Mobile to get a decent graphics card. So yeah, I think a handheld can hold up to a gaming PC if you temper your expectations. You’re not going to be playing at 4k, 120 fps, but instead 720p 50-60 fps. Good enough for casual play all the time.
I haven’t played destiny 2 in a long while but isn’t that game far from competitive?
It has competitive modes, but I don’t know how well it would do at tournament play. I’m not a big fan of PVP, but I’m pretty sure the Ally is powerful enough to play most of those games if you lower the graphics to get a nice FPS. I just cited Destiny because it’s what I’ve been playing lately.
You’d have to be a masochist to actually play this on steam deck or with any controller.
Unless they have some sort of “steam deck only” matchmaking, but even then it’s just not made for controller.
noobdoomguy8658It’s not a standard xbox controller. There’s a gyro with several ways to handle it, including flick, which does take a little time to get used to, but works really well as a mouse substitution for such an environment. Some people are just that good with a thumbstick as well and can easily enjoy casual gamemodes.
Steam Deck is a capable beast, even for a game like Counter-Strike.
DopamineDaydreamsThe same was said about the steam controller, but in the end it was still shit compared to a mouse. It's just not feasible in a game as competitive as csgo.
It’s not for everyone, but calling it shit just because it doesn’t work easily for your liking is
a bit much since it’s still usable to some. I beat plethora of shooters on gyro and it wasn’t that much harder than playing on mouse once I got used to it.
a bit much since it’s still usable to some. I beat plethora of shooters on gyro and it wasn’t that much harder than playing on mouse once I got used to it.
Controllers in general are also extremely accessible, and expandable for those that might struggle using a tradtional mouse and keyboard.
Eh, people always say this yet data shows it’s not true. Many competitive games have had controller vs m+k and found no discernible advantage. Halo for one, gears of war is another I remember.
I play with an elite controller and I have had zero problem winning and going mvp against m+k players in any game I’ve played. I play PUBG where m+k use is rampant and I still maintain a 30-40% win rate in squads, often in 2 man squads.
CS:GO is dead, though, and neither of the popular and beloved entries to the series was ever solely focused on the competitive scene - the community and the casual fun also matter in the world of Counter-Strike, and that’s one of its parts that can be enjoyed on a controller just fine. Of course I don’t expect to be able to perform just as well or better than the M+K players when playing on a controller, regardless of its gyro capabilities, especially in the competitive modes. Counter-Strike is just much more than just a competitive game.
Yeah back when I played OW I regularly did console in PC lobbies (friends were PC) and I had no problem holding my own. Obviously I had a ceiling but it was from unplayable as many make it out to be.
Yes CS is faster and M+K has a higher advantage, but not everyone is trying to go pro lol
I’d say in this instance there’s a massive difference between CS and OW tbh.
I can believe that you could do well and enjoy OW on controller vs M+K, as the game gives you a lot of tools that reduce the need for good aim.
In CS, I just can’t see how you’d work around that though. To each their own, but I don’t see how CS could ever be enjoyable on controller vs K+M.
As I said, CS is clearly more sensitive to the console/m+k divide. My point is you can still play it. I play CS on Xbox for years (there were dozens of us!)
Yes you’ll lose more but again, not everyone is trying to go pro lol
MomoTimeToDieIf you’re not playing to win when you join a team in a multi-player game, you should just stick to single player
Yes because if I’m not playing at 100% at all times with gamer fuel, a 500fps monitor, and my $400 RGB disco mouse, i may as well not at all.
Yeah, I don’t fucking care how abled you are when you’re throwing games
At least you’re honest about your bigotry. Not that it’s worth much, you’re still a bigot. But yeah at least you don’t pretend otherwise.
Have a good one man. Hope you lag out your next match.
Bigotry is when I expect that people enter a competitive team environment without the intent of fucking their team over. Enjoy carrying every retarded troll trying to make you lose.
Yes because no one plays any games casually lmfao
Good luck esports champ! You’ll get that sponsorship one day!
Don’t enter a fucking competitive environment and play casually. There’s plenty of ways to not ruin other people’s time
Lmao what kind of worthless troll edits out his entire comment?
I have no clue what you’re talking about
It’s not my fault you obsessively hit F5 waiting for responses and don’t give someone 7 seconds to change their mind about their comment.
Lmao what’s obsevvive about seeing a notification for an ongoing conversation and responding without first reloading to be sure you didn’t chicken out
Don’t chicken out and fix that typo now
At its core, CS is a competitive shooter. Having casual games and have fun but the game should not cater to this play mode. If valve tries to make it casual friendly they will disappoint the competitive players and will not be able to compete with other casual shooters.
Basically I don’t want then to cater too much to the casual scene
Valve caters more to the casual scene than most companies do by allowing custom servers and an in game custom server browser.
How much more casual can it get?
CorkyskogBeing on a console, on the couch.
CSGO was made entirely for the purpose of being a console game, bo body played it on console so they abandoned ot
This isn’t what’s happening, though? What are you on about?
You can use a keyboard and mouse with the steam deck. Probably not super common but definitely doable.
It’s plenty common. I have a dock all set up as do many others!
candle_lighterGyro aim is very good and can easily compete with a mouse
skmnNot in a game like counter strike with flicking and very precise spray patterns.
Both of those things are easily done with Gyro. You should try it out :D