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So, I'm just going to be sure I have this straight.

Back in 2019-2020, when #covid19 first burst onto the scene, nobody had any idea what we were dealing with. Out of an abundance of caution people were urged to stay at home, and keep away from other people.

In the almost-four years since then, we have learned exactly what we are dealing with - a disease never dealt with before on this level, that attacks and destroys multiple systems of the body, leaves many people disabled/bedridden, or with any of a huge number of chronic conditions.

It attacks the heart and brains of everyone infected (to varying degrees), and confers no long lasting immunity against future infections (which tend to get worse each time).

But with all that knowledge, we've now dropped any semblance of protection, and actively discourage masking, isolation and cleaning the air.

... Do I have this right?

Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck Yes.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@ellenor2000 cool... Sigh.

CurrentBias Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck 💯

Green Roc Thoughts Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck "almost nobody" almost right.

I knew what to do in 2019-2020. My mom had MS and died in 2017. When she was alive, I had to learn how to keep germs away from her, because a slight cold could kill her. I've used many of these learned tactics to avoid germ spread, when I learned of Covid around February 2020, after suffering a month-long cold where I had to cough so hard to get fluids out of my lungs.

I understand germs can be deadly to some people. My mom died of a heart attack.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@GreenRoc So sorry to hear that about your mom. You are correct - there are many people that recognized how bad the disease appeared to be, and how dangerous something like that is especially to vulnerable ppl.

We (as a species) didn't realize just how bad this particular disease was. Again, ppl working with SARS1 did know a lot, and we've been learning more for 3+ years, and each time it's worse than we ever anticipated.

I've been saying since 2020 that we keep underestimating this disease.

@Juicyfranck @GreenRoc

“We (as a species) didn't realize just how bad this particular disease was”

Only because there were active mis- and dis-information campaigns to minimize and confuse the issues, and because that message was more reassuring than the truth which was always apparent for anyone willing to look.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

I posted this a few months ago, back when I was still on Xwitter :

"I've noticed it seems people who have a chronic health condition, or often close relatives, are those most aware of the dangers posed by Covid.

Maybe it's because we realize it *can* happen to anyone, or we're worried LC would make our conditions worse."

https://twitter.com/JuicyFranck/status/1672775783763279874?t=UdT-iNJwvHRnQnlimzXWkg&s=19

1😷th Cat 🇨🇦🌻 @[email protected] on X

@kadamssl I've noticed it seems people who have a chronic health condition, or often close relatives, are those most aware of the dangers posed by Covid. Maybe it's because we realize it *can* happen to anyone, or we're worried LC would make our conditions worse.

X (formerly Twitter)

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

To be fair, you do seem to be missing the whole vaccine, booster etc.

Here in Santa Clara County (part of the San Francisco Bay Area), 88% have both shots and 35% have the booster.

https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-vaccinations

7 day average of new cases is 71....down from 6,815 in January 2022.

https://covid19.sccgov.org/home

Surely most cities in Canada are similar?

(I have a total of four covid shots.)

We can't maintain lockdown forever....at some point you have to admit it's reasonably well contained. 😀

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x if only the vaccines provided significant protection from Long Covid, or helped prevent spread 🤷🏼‍♂️.

And with the majority of people more than 6 months past their last shot (and many ppl not eligible or interested in getting another booster), it doesn't even make a dent anymore.

Masks, clean air AND FAR-UV are the best options we have if we expect to make it out of this.

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

"if only the vaccines provided significant protection from Long Covid, or helped prevent spread"

But Juicy, look at the graph. Spread is VERY, VERY LOW.

It's not 100% eradicated but at this point it's just another virus going around.

I feel like you're being really paranoid 😮

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x ha ha... I know right?

Oh how I wish...

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

"Oh how I wish..."

What do you mean, you wish? Look at the data.

Objectively. The emergency is over.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x omg that's hilarious!

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

Whatever. I stand by what I said.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x btw, when did the WHO declare the pandemic over? (answer - they didn't). And when did C19 suddenly become a disease that *hasn't* killed tens of millions and disabled hundreds of millions? And still continues to?

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

"nd when did C19 suddenly become a disease that *hasn't* killed tens of millions "

It didn't, but that's in the past. It's no longer killing millions of people in the G7, and we both live in the G7.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x just because MSM doesn't cover it like before, there's ton of actual evidence. I've spent my life reading and writing scientific reports, and it's all overwhelmingly clear.

If it makes you sleep easier at night, hey, keep on believing.

Good luck and I wish you the best.

neutrino78x Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck Just look at the data, it's not a matter of belief. Just relax, it's technically still a pandemic but the emergency is over.

CurrentBias Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck a virus that now prefers to maim instead of kill is not one I would relax around

Take a look at how much the Bureau of Labor Statistics' survey of the population with a disability over the age of 16 is climbing:

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNU00074597

Then look at all the long-term health complications that "mild" acute covid is capable of causing:

https://blog.open-source-eschaton.net/covid-fact-sheet

Population - With a Disability, 16 Years and over

Graph and download economic data for Population - With a Disability, 16 Years and over (LNU00074597) from Jun 2008 to Aug 2025 about disability, civilian, 16 years +, population, and USA.

CurrentBias Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck we have had plenty of lessons in never judging a virus by acute outcomes only. Chronic illness is the emergency. We're talking about a virus that can travel outside the respiratory system using receptors found all over the body, that causes chronic T cell activation and may never fully clear, and for which no durable immunity exists whatsoever

https://open-source-eschaton.net/@currentbias/111004441314252738

CurrentBias (@[email protected])

There are two kinds of symptoms that happen after an infection, but only one kind is focused on: 1. symptoms from the immune system responding to the presence of the pathogen 2. symptoms from the damage the pathogen has caused to various organs and organ systems, which can take time to fully manifest The latter can happen without the former. Our entire pandemic response to #covid focuses on the former at the expense of the latter

[Open-Source Eschaton]

mnemonicoverload Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x
The real data or the "we dismantled the testing and tracing apparatus at the behest of our corporate masters" data?

peoplescdc.org/2023/08/28/peop…

People's CDC COVID-19 Weather Report | People's CDC

This is the @PeoplesCDC weekly update for August 28, 2023! This Weather Report from the People’s CDC sheds light on the current COVID situation in the US.

People's CDC

@neutrino78x
At least here in the US there is no data available anymore. There's no data to look at. We know it's out there and spreading and current vaccines aren't particularly effective, because that's about where we left off, data tracking wise, well over a year ago. But we don't really have any idea how many have it or when or where or how long... We have effectively given up trying to track or catalog anything. There's no way to put it in the context because there is no context. It's still out there killing and disabling people, and our government has decided that since we're not going to do anything about it the easiest way to get everyone to ignore it is just pretend it doesn't exist.
@Juicyfranck

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck What data? The data that the government has actively worked to hide from us. The data not gained by stopping testing?
The lies from the CDC?
No thank you. I’ve seen the data, the real stuff from real scientists. It’s not over. Big government and big business is lying to you.

cat static 🇺🇸🇺🇦Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck https://med-mastodon.com/@luckytran/110976978855233308

Dr. Lucky Tran :verified: (@[email protected])

Attached: 1 image People often say #COVID cases are rising but there are far fewer cases than any other time in the pandemic. Wastewater shows that's false. There are far more cases now than the first summer of the pandemic, and this year's pattern is ominously similar to the lead up to the huge Omicron surge.

Med-Mastodon

Jennifer Moore 😷Sep 4, 2023

What do you mean "we can't maintain lockdown forever"? Are you "locked down" in some way?

Ruth [☕️ 👩🏻‍💻📚✍🏻🧵🪡🍵]Sep 4, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck but those aren’t real case numbers. Like you can’t get a PCR in my town. Unless you’re getting surgery. Husband had the same problem in SF for work. Everyone tests at home and few people report to bigger places, I don’t even know if old instructions still work. My county doesn’t report numbers at all because you can’t get real ones. So it’s very frustrating and wastewater is perhaps the best way we can get any data. So it’s 71 cases reported at medical establishments.

KanaMauna Sep 5, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck
Sorry, but things are not contained. I work for the County of Santa Clara and things are not good. First,that 35% booster rate is absolutely crappy because that is the cumulative of all boosters since 2021. Since the vaxs fade you can only use the last six months, so maybe 1-2% are up to date.

Most positive cases are no longer self-reported because California ended the COVID-19 Supplemental Paid Sick Leave program on December 31st. So the case page is useless.

1/2

KanaMauna Sep 5, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck

If you want to get a glimpse at what is really going on, you need to go the wastewater report:

https://covid19.sccgov.org/dashboard-wastewater

Everything basically sucks since spring 2022.

neutrino78x Sep 7, 2023

@KanaMauna @Juicyfranck

Kana, that graph also shows a dramatic decrease. Again, paranoia.

Yes, technically it's still a pandemic.

Just like we are still on a nuclear hair trigger against Russia and China.

But for day to day life, neither is an emergency anymore.

neutrino78x Sep 7, 2023

@KanaMauna @Juicyfranck

I muted the conversation....not really interested in people not being able to separate what's considered contained in the medical profession vs what's reasonably contained, and the point where we can return to normalcy. Look at the data, the emergency is over.

So is my interest in this conversation.

KanaMauna Sep 7, 2023

@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck

Yeah, good luck with that.

Lightning Bjornsson*

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@neutrino78x @Juicyfranck Except it's NOT reasonably well contained.

Hulk Smash COVID Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck except it's not we. It's them. There's an us and a them now.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@themaskerscomic So true!

I'm kinda referring to the collective "we", as a species. But there definitely is still a (growing? 🤞) percentage of us that do understand things!

🇺🇸Sleepy Liberal🇺🇦Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck well, it's not #conservatives who are pushing the #antivaxx BS but besides that you're right on the money lol

Ursidinoj/The Bjornsdottirs Sep 4, 2023

@Agent661 @Juicyfranck it primarily is conservatives.

Lorq Von Ray Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck You should probably also mention that, on a planetary scale, we completely bungled the data collection with the Chinese and US Republicans responsible for 70% of the data loss. And that Donald Trump himself is arguably responsible for between 140K and 250K American deaths, not to mention his missives about swilling bleach or sticking a lightbulb up your butt to fight covid.

Nick Ali Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck @harold If you start with the assumption that humans are still mostly controlled by their lizard brain, it makes much more sense.

Blippy the Wonder Slug (MOVED)Sep 4, 2023

John Robinson Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck Sadly yes.

Kenneth John Bardsley Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck
The ECONOMY must come first. You know, the raping and polluting of the earth for the financial profit of a few rich people, type economy. That one.

RobCornelius Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck just for once Johnson in the UK was ahead of the game when he said "let the bodies pile high".

🌊Ann Morris🐕🍀🌎🌊🌊Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck I still mask up out in public on those rare occasions I have to interact with humans.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

Me too! Fortunately I can avoid most indoor places, but I don't go anywhere around people without my elastomeric.

Life can indeed go on, but it's just different than before.

ClassyT Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck YEP, YOU HAVE JUST ABOUT SUMMED IT UP. CRAZY, BUT TRUE.

Wokebloke for Democracy Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck
Pretty much. It's just like the flu, or a bad cold- except you might get brain/heart/lung damage that may be permanent and set you up for a really bad turn if you get it again.

Ellie Kennard has moved Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck
The thing is, I'm not just wearing a seat belt because of the risk of getting into a car accident that might kill me (comparatively not that high) I'm wearing one because one is more likely to disable me for the rest of my life. https://tc.canada.ca/en/road-transportation/statistics-data/canadian-motor-vehicle-traffic-collision-statistics-2021
Same reason I wear a mask.

Canadian Motor Vehicle Traffic Collision Statistics: 2021

Canadian Motor Vehicle Traffic Collision Statistics: 2021

Transport Canada

M.S. Bellows, Jr.Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck COVID attacking the brain is a useful evolutionary adaptation: over time it will make people even stupider than we already are, and even less likely to adopt safety measures to avoid its spread.

(Not actually serious, except maybe a little bit serious.)

@Juicyfranck You do. We do, as a race, deserve extinction.

1😷th Cat Sep 4, 2023

@ar1 we're certainly doing everything in our power to ensure that happens...

Calamity Caitlin Sep 4, 2023

@Juicyfranck Yes. It's hard to believe this is real life.

Philosophical Fish Sep 5, 2023

@Juicyfranck As an Albertan retail worker throughout the pandemic, I'm pretty sure there was a mass deployment of brain irons. Something was definitely smoothing out the wrinkles in the average customer's brain.

Gotta love making the choice of trying to keep the public and your family safe by masking, or your mental health because the mandates being dropped more or less gave morons permission to bully retail workers about masks... and now anything that happens to bother them. Like you existing!

Aviva Gary Sep 9, 2023

@Juicyfranck Yep... basically