For those who believe todays music, video games & movies are causing mass shootings:
You are WRONG.
If this was the case it would happen all over the world. Here in Europe we listen to the same music, play the same games & enjoy the same movies but we do not have daily mass shootings because we don’t have the GUNS.
GUNS are WRONG
I will have to agree with Stux here. Unless the person wielding then is experienced and athletic, there won't really be any mass shooting with bow and arrows. Really. Think about it. Hawkeye from the Avengers going on a rampage. That's what you're talking about with bows and arrows.
With a gun, you're average Kentucky-fried, armchair, army-surplus-store soldier can lightly pull a trigger 10 times and seriously change the lives of 5-10 other people.
@acrousey @yakumo_izuru That! Thank you Adam 
I think even the most skilled archers do not come even close to any hawkeye scene 
@yakumo_izuru @stux
Let them do so.
If you take away the guns, it immediately becomes much more personal, and hands on.
Not many people have played with actual knives, swords, straight razors, poisons, garottes, et al.
I'm willing to bet numbers will go down. Significantly.
It's the guns.
@stux actually no.
#eurole has even more illegal guns per capita thx to two world wars, the cold war, balkan wars and #EUgunban.
What is different in #Europe - including #Switzerland where people can still legally buy #MachineGuns new - is that we don't reward said acts of #StochasticTerrorism with screentime.
Guns ain't the problem but people.
Otherwise #Canada, #Serbia, #Slovenia and #Germany would've equal amouns of #MassShootings.
https://www.ch.ch/en/safety-and-justice/owning-a-weapon-in-switzerland/#which-weapons-require-which-permits suggests Switzerland doesn't generally allow machine guns to be owned.
They're forbidden, but if you're a sport-shooter (member of a club, participate in competition shootings "regularly"), or a collector, you might get exempted.
Regular would be at least 5 times in a 5 year period, so not actually that much.
@chrisn @stux Case in point: Getting that permit as an individual is actually feasible and trivial in most cases compared to getting the U.S. Equivalent [Destructuve Device Manufacturer] which the ATF is ordered to "shall deny" unless proven otherwise.
But that:s not the point.
Fact is there are at least 16.700.000 confirmed and over 40.000.000 estimated guns in illegal curculation in Germany alone...
@chrisn @stux
Ranging from Pre-WW1 Needle Rifles and WW2 inventory losses to MP5's recently stolen from police armories...
In fact, it's easier to illegally obtain a gun than to legally buy even a legal gas gun, acquire the legal to use lesser lethal cartridges that aren't banned for anti-personnel use and getting a permit to carry said gas pistol.
I will not do the former instead of the latter out of principle:
Convictions make one less able to lobby successfully...
@kkarhan @stux You wrote : "Guns ain't the problem but people."
What about allow paranoid, fearful, mentally sick people to buy guns ?
REMOVE THE GUNS and you solve the problem of mentally people buying and use them.
If somebody feel the NEED to have a gun, there is the proof that that person SHOULD NOT have a gun.
Since is difficult to evaluate every single case, just ban the damn guns ! They exists ONLY to kill other people. If you feel the need to have one means you are ready to kill somebody.
@stux Obviously there's a pretty clear correlation between gun availability and shootings, but I think this blind assumption that reducing gun availability suddenly erases murderous intent is just silly.
The US has had a gun culture forever. There hasn't been an increase in the availability of firearms in the US but the crimes are increasing.
Blaming the mechanism instead of the cause gets nowhere closer to fixing any of it. When the desire to murder is so strong removing the mechanism is just going to select for another one.
Trading shootings for cafeteria poisonings or pipe bombs isn't a big improvement.
(Blaming music, video games and movies is just plain stupid though.)
Guns aren't wrong.
I'm with the NRA on that one: guns don't kill people.
Mind you, their conclusion is mental.
It's precisely because it is people who kill people that you should never allow them near a gun.
@Jantar So you would first enrtrust people with guns to see who’s gonna shoot someone else and after that keep them away from guns? 
I would start by keeping the general people away from guns in the first place, most of them only feel they need them because other do the same
And so the circles goes around
@stux
I would never entrust people with guns, because you can't trust people.
To venture into the absurd: I wouldn't mind guns owning guns; they wouldn't fire them, after all.
@stux In my US, guns are how corporations make $$$ off mentally unstable men, at the cost of school children & shoppers & people out enjoying themselves at bars. And the corporations keep lots of political pals in their pay.
Livin' in the USA
@stux they've been trying to play this card since the 90s
No data has ever shown it to be true
American Football and beer is likely responsible for more violence in the States but we can't go there, they're a big sponsor
@madoka you'd be surprised how easy it is to get your hands on guns in most places even in Europe, and yet mass shootings are not happening every week in Serbia.
it's an attitude problem, not a weapon-specific one.
@Fishbed thanks for proving my point.
you are of course entitled to your own opinion, does not make it any more sensible tho :3
@stux Here in Canada we have ~1/4 the #guns per capita as in the US.
34.7 / 100 ppl, vs 120.5 / 100 ppl (yes. there are more civilian firearms than ppl in the US).
Bewilderingly, we also have 1/4 the # firearm related death per capita (2.26 / 100k vs. 10.89)
Who woulda thought? #guns! hooah! what are they good for, absolutely nuttin!
@stux America's 2A stopped serving a useful function 50-100 years ago, and now does *vastly* more harm than good. Time to put it to bed.
When the leading cause of death in children is firearms, there's a problem.
@stux the issue isn't guns, it's the American attitude in general. We are nowhere near as careful, nor as caring, as most Europeans.
Not to mention we're pretty easily radicalized thanks to the impetus on free speech meaning that radical, terrorist content is really easy to come by and be influenced by.
@stux it's sloppy thinking. we need to think in terms of mass killings not shootings. guns make it "easier" sure, but what are the actual reasons for mass killings. people don't just pick up a gun and then are magically changed into wanting to kill people with said gun. that's a non-thing and horrible logic.
the moment we start to actually tackle the issue, look at it, and acknowledge it, can we truly begin to prevent it from happening regardless of it being committed with guns, knives, or cars
@stux Can I also add that the most popular movie genre (in the USA at least) in the 50s/60s we’re westerns. The plot of nearly every western was: yada yada yada, and then people shoot at each other.
In the 80s, the A-Team was a top 5 TV show for a couple years. The final 5-10 minutes ALWAYS included a frenzy of bullets (and often explosions) that would put Wolfenstein to shame.
Gun supporters have never really opposed depictions of gun violence. They just dislike games/music.
@stux If video games caused shootings, shouldn't Seoul and Tokyo be burnt-out post-apocalyptic hellscapes by now?
Last I checked their primary issues are the usual "large wealthy metropolis" types of stuff.
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