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Aurynn ShawYou are not responsible for other people’s failing business models.
Adblockers are a safety measure on the modern internet. Do your part: help everyone get more adblocking.
If someone is running ads on their videos/Twitch stream/website/whatever
they are a business
you are not responsible for making their business model work - they are
this is like, *the territory* that comes with "I want to do a business", you have to do the work yourself to make your business model work
Hacksaw?@aurynn For me it’s simple: if the ads weren’t irritating, I wouldn’t block them. Most aren’t. But YouTube’s patented right in the middle of a sentence insertion, for example, makes a blocker essential.
Oh hello everyone
I don’t have a soundcloud
Paul Walker@aurynn but you have a cloud island
Is there no sound there?
avatastic 
@aurynn I'm always alarmed when I'm away from my home internet and its Pi-Hole as to just how rotten the state of the web actually is.
AdvJoshJust run PiVPN and set up a wiregaurd tunnel, it works wonders for adblocking on the go! Alternatively, if your using a computer on the go you can use docker to deploy PiHole as needed :)
Misuse Case@aurynn Adblockers and script blocking extensions (like PrivacyBadger) are a must because ad platforms are not only invasions of privacy but huge vectors for malware!
I also recommend changing to a non-Chromium-based browser if you haven’t already because Google may go through with their plans to implement changes to the Chromium engine that will kill ad-blocking extensions.
Kevin Karhan 
@MisuseCase @aurynn Consider @mozilla #Firefox then...
Personally, I use @torproject #TorBrowser as my default #Browser!
Duncan Blues@MisuseCase Google removing "Don't be evil" from their Code of Conduct should have been a warning.
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alcinnz@aurynn Though if you want to get sites to stop running surveillance-advertising, I would advise opening your wallet where you care & you can.
If these sites don't believe they have a viable alternative business model... they'll just lash out.
@alcinnz I am not responsible for their failing business models.
I do pay for sites where I can.
@alcinnz @aurynn It would be nice if they offered an alternative but often they don’t.
Google used to have this monthly subscription service where you could pay to get rid of ads they controlled on websites. They would be replaced with static blocks of art or abstract patterns instead. I liked that and paid for it! But they killed it.
Aaron@MisuseCase @alcinnz @aurynn They'll make paying an option again if enough people refuse to have ads forced down their throats.
@hosford42 @alcinnz @aurynn They will try a lot of other things first, like Google is doing with changing Chromium to disable adblockers now that Chromium-based browsers dominate the ecosystem (by a large margin).
Patrick Johanneson 🚀 🇨🇦@hosford42 @MisuseCase @alcinnz @aurynn They'll figure out a way to make people pay and still see ads.
Les Orchard@MisuseCase @alcinnz @aurynn The problem is that if you can afford to pay to hide ads, you can also afford to buy what they sell in the ads. That makes you an especially valuable ad target.
Letting that kind of potential eyeball escape the pool reduced the overall sale value of the ads more than the direct payments brought in.
Ads are kind of insidious that way.
@lmorchard @alcinnz @aurynn Yeah there’s a kind of thing about this in Cory Doctorow’s story UNAUTHORIZED BREAD, where the rich can afford to do without “smart” home devices that lock them into using certain types of detergent, bread, etc. to operate (the HP inkjet printer cartridge model, but for home appliances) while the poor and working class are forced to use them.
SlightlyCyberpunk@aurynn Agreed...but I think we need to stop including caveats to this. It's my computer; it will run the code I tell it to run. If you want to tell a computer what code to run you can go buy your own.
Too many manufacturers think they can "sell" you something and still claim it to be theirs. Too many websites think they can send you data that you didn't request and then force you to use it the way they want. It's all the same category of bullshit and we need to outright refuse. "It's a safety issue" or "it slows down my system" or even "they're just too annoying" all leaves room for someone to claim they've "fixed it" and now because they've "fixed it" they can demand a "right" to be unblockable. Fuck that.
You don't get a right to come into my bedroom and plaster a giant Viagra ad over the ceiling and then tell me *I'm* immoral when I take it down or kick you out. Doesn't fuckin matter if I invited you in. Doesn't matter if that ad pays your rent. You have no damn right to tell me what I can or cannot do in my bedroom. Doesn't matter if that's with the computer part of my bedroom or the wall decor part of my bedroom. Fuck right off with all of that.
Matt McLeod@admin counterpoint: I do however have a right to tell you that if you want the thing I am offering, then you have to abide by the terms under which I’ve offered it to you. If you don’t like those terms, don’t use my thing.
(I do actually use ad blockers as a safety thing, but if some elective thing stops letting me view their content because of that then that’s my problem. Different if it’s a government service of course.)
@mjm If I've signed a contract, sure. But if you're sending me data without first negotiating that agreement then I will use that data however I want.
Winston Smith@aurynn some people go the other direction, use whole adware browsers like Brave :-/
Potato Enthusiast 🇵🇸@aurynn indeed. They can't be the place that hosts government and community services and also require we let them track us. Big Social needs to pick.
@Br3nda I'd like to be the place that hosts government and community services
C.S.Strowbridge@aurynn
I wouldn't mind ads, if I had more control over what ads I saw. For example, I would love it if Google stopped shoving ads from The Epoch Times at me every chance they get. The Epoch Times is run by a cult.
I wouldn't mind ads, if I had more control over what ads I saw. For example, I would love it if Google stopped shoving ads from The Epoch Times at me every chance they get. The Epoch Times is run by a cult.
undead enby of the apocalypse@aurynn ads are capitalist propaganda, i’m not making myself look at/listen to something designed to try to manipulate me into spending money on things or doing things I don’t want. If you think about it ads are actually really fucking dystopian.
mingistech 
@enby_of_the_apocalypse @aurynn yes, this 1000 times over. Well said.
Flamekebab@enby_of_the_apocalypse @aurynn elsewhere in the thread someone is arguing that ads create employment and I feel it ties into this. Creating needless labour is a *bad* thing!
@Flamekebab @aurynn capitalism logic can be pretty absurd sometimes
AT-AT Assault 🏳️⚧️Indeed. Too many Ad CDNs spread malware now. Even "reputable" sites have let malware ads through on their sites.
ari melody 💫@aurynn i do like this take a lot
why should it be our responsibility that already massive companies survive? if the company literally can't stand on its own two feet without advertising, it's doomed either way
pay for things you like- you never owe a company anything just because they want it ☺️
@aurynn there's probably a point to be made here about small companies, but they likely aren't making a liveable wage from ads at their scale.
also i'd like to mention there's plenty of small companies who have and can succeed just fine off the back of... actually making a good product :0
Seirdy@aurynn And for some ND people (raises hand), an accessibility feature.
Acetopheles@aurynn nobody forced Google to allow and actively promote phishing websites in their search engines, nobody forced Google to continue to promote harmful advertisements across Google Ads and now because people opt to use ad blockers for their security Google gets offended when people don't want to see their ads anymore.
Google ALLOWED harmful ads and links that could scam people out of real world money. The only one who ruined the good will of internet users. You guessed it....it was Google!
Horst Albermann 🇪🇺🇩🇪@aurynn The blind faith in ADBlockers and their business model is ... amazing. A software that sees your entire browser trafic.
I'm always reminded of virus scanners and their unimpeachable reputation.
Pup Crow@h_albermann @aurynn were any of those unscrupulous virus scanners open source?
@PupCrowbar @aurynn Good point 👍🏼 … and no.
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MaybeMyMonkeys@aurynn it is almost like they feel entitled to our time and attention
Frances LarinaAdvertisers need to take responsibility for infecting a whole lotta machines over the years, then maybe I'll consider trusting them.
Jernej Simončič �@aurynn Users at companies I administer get uBlock Origin and Consent-O-Matic installed in their browsers (Chrome, Edge, Firefox) through Group Policy.
Eoin O'Beara@aurynn I’m going to install Pi Hole soon, specifically for this reason, blocking ads and thereby improving our privacy.
@eobeara an excellent plan!
@aurynn Plz let me waste your screen real estate and apply client side drm.
John Mark Ockerbloom@aurynn I don't run ad blockers. I run a tracker blocker (built into Firefox) and, on some machines I'm on, a script blocker. Sites that aren't trying to pry into my activities or computer are welcome to show me ads, if that helps them stay solvent. If they decide to resort to less safe means to get ads to me, my defenses' blocking them is their problem.
🌸Lilyana Marie🌸@aurynn My network, is where ads come to die.
lupus_blackfurYes, yes, and yes...
Would that I had more than only one boost to give.
As soon as they get rid of malicious script ads and they get rid of visually/physically intrusive ads, then I'll renegotiate.
lori@aurynn with everything shifting on the Internet right now, old companies that haven't been profitable for a decade, new companies that don't know how to take their slice of the pie from them... I have been saying that first sentence so much lately
James Conroy-Finn@aurynn can we have ad blocking for the real world, please?
I’ve had enough of billboards and buses and every other surface telling me to make the rich richer.
jtb@aurynn I agree. I wouldn't mind an advert if it were just a static image. But if someone wants to run javascript on my system they ought to explain what it is doing first. (Which they won't be able to because they don't know themselves.)
Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 💥@aurynn Okay all of you: does anyone remember The Proxomitron? Wild interface and all?
skyeye@aurynn I’ve had so many people tell me “oh you want YouTube to go out of business???” Like yeah actually. They’re in this position with no competition cause they out spent anyone who could have tried a better business model like a peer tube or federated solution. Just die
I run a website supported by ads. The pay is pretty abysmal. The alternatives are affiliate marketing, subscriptions, sponsored content, or begging.
I don't try to block ad blockers. I get it. Since it is mostly tech related, I'm hoping the ad views are primarily coming from people at work, since my content is helping their employees do their jobs, which helps their business.