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“When people want to listen to music they go to Spotify. When people want to study sound recordings as they were originally created, they go to libraries like the Internet Archive. Both are needed. There shouldn’t be conflict here.” - @brewsterkahle

Read our full statement about the recording industry lawsuit against our library: https://blog.archive.org/2023/08/14/internet-archive-responds-to-recording-industry-lawsuit-targeting-obsolete-media/

Aug 14, 2023 at 10:48pmWeb
Show threadTim RuppertAug 14, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I’m just going to slide in here with a quick plug for TIDAL, the streaming app that delivers better sound quality and pays artists higher royalties than Spotify and those other services. ✌️😁
Show threadVoltaireAug 15, 2023
@TMRuppert @internetarchive @brewsterkahle good alternative for folks on Android, otherwise Apple Music is pretty similar. Most are better than Spotify.
Show threadMax : Max MaxAug 15, 2023

@TMRuppert @internetarchive @brewsterkahle I've switched to Tidal and have been happy with it. I didn't realise the impact the higher bitrate world have, even over my stock car stereo.

I also prefer the app, which is less gimmicky than Spotify's.

The only thing Spotify has on it is their curated playlists seem better, although I'd played them out and started getting a lot of repeats by the time I made the switch

Show threadJulian Andres Klode 🏳️‍🌈Aug 15, 2023

@TMRuppert @internetarchive @brewsterkahle again, as has been widely discussed, Tidal is a scam, its proprietary MQA format does not offer lossless audio quality as they claim.

Quality differences are down to different masters, some may be better on Tidal, some may be better on e.g. Apple Music.

Show threadTim RuppertAug 16, 2023
@juliank @internetarchive @brewsterkahle 1. Sound quality. Before switching, I listened to several songs I knew well from vinyl and I found TIDAL superior to Spotify.
2. Royalties. TIDAL pays substantially more per stream to artists than Spotify.
Show threadKarl AuerbachAug 14, 2023

@internetarchive @brewsterkahle The work being done by the archives is of great importance.

I'm pretty sure that we will increase our yearly (but always too small) donation to the Archives.

Show threadklausfiend has movedAug 15, 2023

@internetarchive @brewsterkahle It's _weird_ how the big labels have the time and money to sue archivists working under fair use but continue to look the other way as the streaming services that have decimated the music industry continue to do so by paying artists pennies for hours of their creative energy.

I'm sure the fact that the labels are robustly compensated by the streamers has nothing to do with this and does not in any way create a conflict of interest, though.

Show threadVoltaireAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle it is so sad that they have to fight for this whatsoever.
Show threadChris DudleyAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I've used the archive for academic assignments. I concur that this is its purpose.
Show threadBrian DearAug 15, 2023

@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Some people, when they want to listen to music, listen to their own music collection accumulated over decades, and don't go near streaming services. Spotify doesn't rule the world.

That said, I don't get why, other than they're just greedy jerks, UMG and Sony are bringing this case.

Show threadsignalelevenAug 15, 2023
@brianstorms @internetarchive @brewsterkahle fiduciary responsibility.
They'd get sued by their shareholders if they left any crumble on the plate. Capitalism sucks badly.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle While I agree with what you're doing, that doesn't make it legal.
Show threadVojtěch HorkýAug 15, 2023
@ellenor2000 @internetarchive @brewsterkahle Legal is whatever the society agrees to. Saying: "Something which we belive to be good is illegal so it shouldn't be done" doesn't make any sense to me.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsAug 15, 2023
@VojtechHorky @internetarchive @brewsterkahle I'm not even saying it shouldn't be done. I'm only trying to make clear that they're exposing themselves to a risk here.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsAug 15, 2023
@VojtechHorky @internetarchive @brewsterkahle I wonder what it'd take to make sure that risk doesn't result in their work getting flushed down the drain.
Show threadLinzaAug 15, 2023
@ellenor2000 @internetarchive @brewsterkahle Slavery was legal
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsAug 15, 2023
@Linza @internetarchive @brewsterkahle technically true.
Show threadUrsidinoj/The BjornsdottirsAug 15, 2023
@Linza @internetarchive @brewsterkahle imo they should keep doing what they're doing, but fully prepare to "go piratical" when the time comes that the heavies are going to try to fuck their shit up.
Show threadLisPiAug 16, 2023

@ellenor2000 @Linza @internetarchive @brewsterkahle Ultimately going to be necessary I think.

The #clearnet is fucked and will remain so until we #AbolishCopyright at minimum.

Show threadninavizzAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Also: Lars Ulrich of Metallica has been quoted to "deeply regret" his lawsuit and position against Napster. As a Bay Arean and music industry heavy (now on his own record label, too) he could be an interesting ally to bring into this. Picking up where JPB left off?
Show threadLisPiAug 16, 2023

@ninavizz @internetarchive @brewsterkahle Is that actually so?

I'm still quite salty over that.

Show threadninavizzAug 16, 2023
@lispi314 He sounded sincere in the interview I saw. JPB has left us, but his work and spirit need to live on. They do live on, with EFF and FPF. I'd love to see Lars engaged on the topic. We need our libraries. Capitalism cannot and should not seek to overtake basic information archiving and preservation, for access by scholars or a curious public. Curiosity is not "consumption." That needs distinction.
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle
Show threadLisPiAug 16, 2023

@ninavizz @internetarchive @brewsterkahle I can't seem to find anything indicating he regrets much more than the optics doxing(? Not sure how much info was contained in those documents) 300k users invoked.

That's... not much of a turnaround.

Show threadninavizzAug 16, 2023
@lispi314 Some interviews I saw on YouTube. Yes, I'm both a Metallica fan, and a data dork. Also, no idea what you mean by optics doxing. He just really regrets taking Napster to court, and the naivete (his word) of his position in it. As an artist, I respect where he was coming from, a lot—but I also wish he'd spent time chatting with JPB or Mitch Kapor, before following the industry into that awful abuse of copyright law. @internetarchive @brewsterkahle
Show threadLisPiAug 16, 2023

@ninavizz @internetarchive @brewsterkahle Well, it's possible.

I just didn't manage to find any articles that talk about said interviews. It is possible they're purposely not talking about it, it wouldn't be the first time.

As for the optics, I mean the "bad PR move" part of those 60k-something pages involved in the lawsuit.

Show threadninavizzAug 16, 2023
@lispi314 Dude, it was a random video interview. Not an article. Like I said. Developers love articles. Not music fans. @internetarchive @brewsterkahle
Show threadLisPiAug 16, 2023

@ninavizz @internetarchive @brewsterkahle I was looking for articles mostly because current search-engines are quite useless for finding particular video content.

You'd think they'd use the ML stuff to do that and yet... nope, that'd be too nice.

Show threadplsburydoughboy (I/het/him)Aug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle we don't need Spotify. Alternate music market models can replace it
Show threadTravis ScottAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle imo Spotify is the worst of all the services and I never use it and music lovers never should
Show threadkamiljk87_amigoAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle nothing more than just pure greed of whole music industry companies and whole DMCA rampage blindly spreading everywhere... (if only them care same about artists as them try filling own pockets also #JustIdea for artist start include some exclusive allowance/loophole rights for internetarchive to preserve their creations just in case) similar things happens with game industry and abandoned source code which intentionally chosen to get varnished than preserved...
Show threadA Tattered ScrapbookAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Might I humbly suggest that the Archive be moved to a country with a greater commitment to public well-being than that current in the USA? Perhaps a European country where the relevant court might consider your collection to be to the benefit of humanity?
Show threadChris Marcum 📖Aug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle insane and evil
Show threadArcticulateAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle Complete nonsense from record-label lawyers. I’m not a lawyer (!), but from reading about music industry lawsuits in the past: ”monetary harm” (briefly put) seems (?) to be what the court is interested in. Usually you see pirating of big piles of music from the latest and greatest artists being the target and courts can respond in different ways to that. In this case, there is only one ”sound” response: nonsense.
Show threadatallgoblinAug 15, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle I’m over Spotify. Really pushes musicians to write playlist friendly singles over interesting albums. For me, Bandcamp is the solution, more money directly to artists.
Show threadLeBonkAug 16, 2023
@internetarchive
@brewsterkahle
yeah nah fuck Spotify actually
Show threadbeingextortedAug 19, 2023
@internetarchive @brewsterkahle The attack on the Internet Archive is purely greed motivated. Look at the players and try to consider any impetus for such an asinine move. Sony has already shown their contempt and disdain of the general public throughout their entire corporate existence. What's one more instance of giving the finger to world?