Mastodawn

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

A lion's share of the people @kissane surveyed responded that they left #Mastodon because they got yelled at, scolded and lectured when they were here. One major source for this appears to be unrealistic expectations for the use of content warnings.
I have been lectured for CWs & for posts that contradicts an "accepted" narrative. I feel surprisingly horrid after each lecture 😅
I like its decentralised nature, but it can get toxic here.

#SocialMedia #GoodRead

https://erinkissane.com/mastodon-is-easy-and-fun-except-when-it-isnt

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ

> but it can get toxic here.

surprise, after all it's the internet! ..

btw
I only experienced discussion and mention of CW in english languageand on mastodon.

This is an international fediVerse how do we put that into context?

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane I have no idea lol. Are you saying that internationals are not as concerned about CW posts? I am ok with that personally. I don't think we should impose CW on anyone.

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

I guess I'm trying to say that this is a problem of the US and/or anglosaxons and their of spring and their for actually has nothing to do with mastodon and much less with the fediVerse.

Actually actually, to be more precise, it's reasonable to consider that refugees from "toxic twitter" from the past have become confronted with new first class twitter refugees that want their twitter back, a place the others tried to left behind.

Different communities.

growing pains ..

@kissane

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane you mean importing US cultural values to Mastodon?

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

That's definitely an issue of this wave into the fediverse.

The twitter outrage is a english and mainly US thing.

Spanish twitter doesn't care.
German twitter not to much and germans aren't into fb/tw and aware of the big brother problem from a different angle.

Also, this is and was build by the coding community.
They developed this and adapted their stream to the tools like filters.
Coders pee themselves over any kind of "[" to many as it breaks the code.

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane Yea I feel this too. The Twitter and Elon is a Nazi discourse doesn't really happen in Malaysian circles either. It's amusing to read at first but after a while it gets really tiring 😅at times I do feel like retreating into typing stuff in bahasa Malaysia just to keep a separation but there are hardly any Malaysians here so...

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

> but there are hardly any Malaysians here so...

Everyone is just "using" the internet because "it's for free".
That includes politicians who actually should protect their citizens from exploitation of their data and privacy by totalitarian monopoly, even worth, from another country.

They are all dancing while the band is playing on the titanic and Musk (who is neoliberal fascist scum) just took over the wheel of one ship playing iceberg search.

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

And also it became a save space for all the people that fled toxic twitter and for example stupid politics war. That's why lot's of LGBTQ people complained, and people from the spectrum (coding community), for example about "eye contact", or visualy disabled trying to maintain the alttext best practice established.

Like a little garden with well reasoned particular rules for marginal groups that gets invaded by a hoard of woodstockers.

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

Don't get me wrong.
We want "you" here and we created this because it's the only possible setup for a diverse internet with freedom of speech and a chance for democracy. There is no other option, by design, for a multicultural world.
and btw
that means the only path to escape the rule of US hegemony (or any other) of the internet.
In other words:
All odds and existing winning power structures and interests are against us.

(and actually the X refugees don't care about that)

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

> internationals are not as concerned about CW posts?

International as in "spanisch language mastodon", "german language mastodon" are not.
English is "the" international language. Not using hashtags or specifying the country, especially in english or spanish is very annoying.
People from Spain do that, and people from the US.
Latinos normally mention the country the issue is about, even people from the UK but US is like "every De Santis fart is an international problem"!
🤣
@kissane

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

> I don't think we should impose CW on anyone.

I consider the term CW as in Warning an error.
Content Wrapper or subject line solves that issue.

Actually most of content warning has to be resolved by filters, that's on the user side or even instances can/should do that.

CW -> NSFW in any case and that means brutality or sexually explicit.

A content wrapper is pleasant because it safes my time by summing up.

A "warning" just creates different taste.

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane in that sense I can understand the conflict. Wish, I'm a way, that it was big enough to accommodate different ways of thought without clashes.

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

I guess the clash is inevitable, that's why I wrote growing pain. In any case the slower we grow the more time we have to establish a new culture, to evolve at least some changes for the better.

In general terms, the idea of "one world, one internet, let's connect all together" is wrong and a really bad idea.
What we need and should evolve is a loose interconnected setup of nodes that creates space for every one.

If it grows to fast we'll become occupied and separate more.

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane Yea! I so agree. On twitter, the Malaysian side existed in its bubble, mostly because of the language giving it a natural separation, but when we post I English we get the clash of civilisations so to speak

jeSuisatire neindochohh ᘛ⁐̤ᕐᐷ Jul 30, 2023

@liztai
> but when we post English

To a certain extent we multilingual people even have different personalities depending on the language we use.
(actually that's when the "me" in "I" becomes disturbed about who this "it" inside really is, if there is anything at all)
😮

Elizabeth Tai | 戴秀铃 🇲🇾Jul 30, 2023

@jesuisatire @kissane hah I think I replied to the wrong thread. But yeah I think of CWs the same way.